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Millington mystery
« on: Thursday 05 April 07 15:52 BST (UK) »
My 3 x g grandparents were Frederick Gillham b.1811 Dartford Kent and Dinah Millington b.1815 Quebec North America, according to the census.
Dianh has her father living with them in 1861 Dartford. and he is a carpenter. Any one know how you would go about find why a carpenter born in Danbury Essex would have gone to Canada and had a daughter out there at such an early time. What is there I can look at to help me??
I am out of my depth with this one.
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Re: Millington mystery
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 May 07 03:03 BST (UK) »
Hi,
You may find something on these 2 links below. Just a thought, maybe something to do with the timber trade, or shipbuilding, or Rideau Canal, after 1815.
Try a search on link below. You do not say where they were located on the census in Quebec.
http://www.civilization.ca/vmnf/vmnfe.asp

http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/encyclopedia/Econhistcan.htm

Ada


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Re: Millington mystery
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 01 May 07 06:00 BST (UK) »
Hi willis

I might be adding more mystery  ;D  ???

The Carpenter "father-in-Law  in 1861,   William MILLINGTON age 76 in 1861 - so he was born abt 1785.

In 1841:  Dinah and Frederick were in Dartford.
Their eldest child there is age 4 - born abt 1837

In the same Census, William MILLINGTON , Carpenter is in Dartford age 55 or 57, with (presumed?) wife Sarah who is age 64, a John MILLINGTON age 20 a carpenter, and a GILHAM child, William age 5, born abt 1835 (he is 16 in 1851 with his parents Fred & Dinah and appears to be the eldest)

In 1851, William is in Dartford age 66 with a Frederick GILHAM age 10  in the house. And, Frederick GILHAM snr and Dinah  are in Dartford still ... one of their other sons with them is Alfred GILHAM age 7 (born abt 1844).

Is there something is a bit odd?  Becasue......

The extracted marriage of Frederick and  Dinah, appears to be on IGI :
Frederick GILHAM and Dinah LAWRENCE married 6 Jul 1834, Bexley, Kent.
Bexley being the sub-reg district of Dartford. If this is them, Dinah is abt 19 years old according to her ages on Census.

and then  a submitted record on IGI of birth:
Alfred GILHAM born 5 May 1843, Dartford Kent, to Frederick GILHAM and Dinah LAWRENCE.

Was Dinah previously married and the widowed by a LAWRENCE - at a very young age, with no apparent issue?

Was William her natural father? Or was he an "adopted" father  - if William & Sarah were not biological parents but raised her? or was he a step father if Sarah was her mother who was previously married to a LAWRENCE or was a born LAWRENCE?

Note: I think John MILLINGTON of 1841 (a prospective brother or half brother of Dinah??)  was actually John James MILLINGTON.
Who  married Ann Sophia LYNN, was a Carpenter on 1851 & 1861 Census with his wife, and was deceased before 1871 - all per Census. There a couple of deaths in Dartford who would match. If he was William's son (but Sarah was too old to be his mother?)  - he was born in Kent abt 1821.   Of course may not have been a son, but if he was,  he could have been concieved in Canada and William did not have to be in England  for the birth ........but if , and a bit if in my mind.......William was Dinah's AND John's  biological father, it at least says some of the family was back in England by 1821....I think maybe  the LAWRENCE aspect needs to be looked at, perhaps trying to first sort out who Sarah MILLINGTON was ? (she may not have been a wife of William - as the 1841 doesn't state relationship).

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AMBLY
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Re: Millington mystery
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 May 07 07:01 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage of a William Millington to a Sarah Lawrence which may or may not be related. Looking at the full register entry would give the information whether Sarah was a widow.

WILLIAM MILLINGTON 
SARAH LAWRENCE 
Marriage:  13 JAN 1817   Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London

MILLINGTON, Frederic   
Christening Date:7 Jun 1818   Dartford, Kent
Father:William MILLINGTON
Mother:Sarah

MILLINGTON, John James   
Christening Date:22 Apr 1821   Dartford, Kent
Father:William MILLINGTON
Mother:Sarah

MILLINGTON, Fanny Juliet   
Christening Date:11 Jul 1826   Dartford, Kent
Father:William MILLINGTON
Mother:Sarah

One of the main reasons for people being born in Quebec and returning to England would be that their father had been in the army. You could try military baptisms to see whether a Dinah Lawrence can be found. Military baptisms are in the overseas section of the civil registration index (even though they predate civil registration by many years). You can access the GRO overseas index at

http://www.findmypast.com/HomeServlet

but it is a pay by view website.

Regards

Valda
 
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Re: Millington mystery
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 03 May 07 10:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all you who  answered my question, well thats opened it up a bit!!

Will look into all points raised. Thanks again guys, you never let me down!
Willis--Polstead, Stoke & Colchester
Bones--Purleigh & Danbury
Humm--Woodham Mortimer & Great Henny
Ong--Woodham Mortimer
Osborne---London & Sible Hedingham
Guckes---Kent & London
Ingram--Wrotham
Ridley--Ightham
Root--Trottiscliffe
Hollands--Wrotham
Wagstaff--Fingringhoe & Birch
Brewster--Writtle
Martin--Polstead
Chippington--Stoke
Gillham--Dartford, Poplar & Otford
Lawrence--Dartford

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Re: Millington mystery
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 December 11 16:02 GMT (UK) »
Hello

My wife is directly related to Dinah Lawrence.  Dinah's parents were James & Sarah Lawrence (nee Huggins).  James was a wheelwright employed at the Woolwich Dockyard.  His skills were urgently needed in Quebec, where he was sent.  However, there were several bad harvests in the province and a famine developed.  Dinah was born there but baptised at Dartford as the couple had to return home.   I may have more information on the Millingtons if you are interested.

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Re: Millington mystery
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 December 11 16:59 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Millington mystery
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 25 December 11 19:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mike

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Willis--Polstead, Stoke & Colchester
Bones--Purleigh & Danbury
Humm--Woodham Mortimer & Great Henny
Ong--Woodham Mortimer
Osborne---London & Sible Hedingham
Guckes---Kent & London
Ingram--Wrotham
Ridley--Ightham
Root--Trottiscliffe
Hollands--Wrotham
Wagstaff--Fingringhoe & Birch
Brewster--Writtle
Martin--Polstead
Chippington--Stoke
Gillham--Dartford, Poplar & Otford
Lawrence--Dartford

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Re: Millington mystery
« Reply #8 on: Monday 26 December 11 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello Willias

My wife a is a Gillham.  It took me ages to sort out the MILLINGTONs but she is not connected to the MILLINGTONs of Danbury.  I wish there was space for me to send you all the information I have gathered over many years.  You are clearly a cousin to my wife.

Regards

Michael Saxby
Eastbourne