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SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« on: Monday 09 April 07 12:20 BST (UK) »
I would be very pleased to hear if anyone has information on this family who were pawnbrokers there in 1881 census.

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Re: SIEDLE FAMILY IN SWANSEA
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 April 07 12:39 BST (UK) »
What sort of info are you looking for?
Which Siedle family is it?
There is one at 21 Oystermouth Road with several children and another at 2 Nelson, who are probably related but came to Wales later. Both heads are pawnbrokers. Family in Oystermouth Rd have been in Wales at least 22 years according to birthplace of children.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 April 07 12:46 BST (UK) »
Oystermouth Road  it is. I was wondering if there are any current descendants in South Wales.
Thanks for your interest.

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 April 07 13:11 BST (UK) »
can't help you with present day, but it looks as if some of the sons went on to be photographers. I found a few references online - studios in Cardiff, Newport and Swansea. 1910 - Heathfield St, Swansea and 1920 Uplands, Swansea. There's also a reference to a photograph of Adelina Patti taken by Siedle Bros in 1891 being auctioned at Sotheby's New York in 1997!
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 April 07 13:34 BST (UK) »
Charles Siedle is enumerated as a photographer in 1891 and 1901 in Swansea. In 1901 he's living at 138 Walter Rd, next door to the possibly related Adolph, the pawnbroker of Nelson St from 1881. They both must have been doing nicely for themselves.
Charles' brother Adolph is a photographer in Newport, Mon in 1901.

http://www.historicopera.com/jearly_other_page1.htm
photo 19 on this page is one of theirs.

Their sister Matilda is listed as a sculptor in 1891 but I can't spot her after that - there can't have been many female sculptors around at that time. What an interesting family!
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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 April 07 15:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you Osprey for your comments and data. The photographic side is known to me but not the Adelina Patti or Matilda details. Somehow the family disappeared. Perhaps, in due course, the 1911 censuses etc. will reveal something.

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 April 07 15:53 BST (UK) »
have you tried trade directories? 
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/
though this site has a tendency to fall over.
Swansea library might have some old trade directories and they do have some old electoral registers as well.
 
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=397

http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=2237
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 April 07 16:16 BST (UK) »
I find trade directories vary a great deal in what they tell but the electoral registers are worth a go. Thanks.

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 April 07 18:00 BST (UK) »
Hi
Have a look at Cambrian on line at
http://www2.swansea.gov.uk/_info/cambrian/

There are 27 articles about the Siedle family including birth & death notices.

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