Completed CARVER Cockayne Hatley marriage look-up c 1832 please

[bedfordshire boy]

Right, found Mary & Simeon now, forgot Carver sometimes changed to Calver!

A look up request should sort out if John buried 1782 at Wrestlingworth was the son of John and Elizabeth. Same needed for the 1802 Jesse burial. If someone reading this has access to Wrestlingworth PR transcript and could check these two burials it would go a long way to sorting out these Carvers! Edit - covered in subsequent post

But apart from these two all the others "seem" to have been baptised. I think what happened to John and Simeon is a separate issue, but I have the feeling that neither of them is Jesse.

The 1812 marriage "should" state if he was a widower, but in any case the age of Martha - born c 1769 - makes her a bit too old to have married John the son.

Regards

David

[janan]

Hi David
Just saw your bit about no Sophia in Southill - thank you for checking that out.

I was only half serious when I suggested Simeon or John became Jesse - wouldn't put it past them to change names as they do seem determined to confuse

The burial details for Jesse and infant John came from the transcripts that waterfall kindly posted for me - so I would need to check the original entries for any extra information. Similarly that marriage of John to Martha - although I agree that Martha's age does point to it being the elder John.

Thanks again
Jan

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Jan

Burial entries in the transcript would give "son of John and Elizabeth" if it was in the PR/BT. If it merely gave John Carver, infant, then that's all the PR has.

About the only detail that the transcripts don't give are witnesses at marriages.

Pity!

David

[janan]

 Thanks for that. They continue  very loathe to help me out 

Jan 

[janan]

Just found a suitable extracted IGI record for Sophia

Sophia BREED 11 Oct 1812 Southill mother Mary BREED

I'd looked before and missed her. No suitable marriage though even searching James to Sophia at right time - still it is another step

Jan

[bedfordshire boy]

There's no marriage of Sophia Breed on the BVRI at Southill, nor a burial on the NBI, so she must be a possibility. Frustrating that the marriage (if indeed they married) is being elusive. I've been through the Hugh Wallis site to see which Beds parishes between Southill and Wrestlingworth and generally in that area of Beds, have not been extracted onto the IGI in the 1830s, and there's only two that I can see - the hole in Southill which is covered by the BVRI, and Campton, where nothing after 1812 is on the IGI or BVRI. Just to say you've covered all bases, and if you've nothing better to do, it might be useful to check the microfilm of Campton to see if they did make a bit of a dog's leg and marry there.

Southill parish register transcript merely says illegitimate daughter of Mary Breed against Sophia's baptism. There's also a burial of a Mary Breed at Southill on 25 Oct 1812, just a couple of weeks after Sophia's baptism (no other detail on the burial). Now what would have become of a 2 week old orphan - usually raised by grandparents/siblings of the parents. I've never followed how she moved from Southill to Wrestligworth. I wonder...... but here I'm moving from speculation to the realms of fantasy! We don't even know if it's the right Sophia

Regards

David

[janan]

Hi David
Thanks for the additional information.

Just musing and maybe going off track here but

John BIRD, brother to all the Birds who married Carvers, married Elizabeth BRIDE in Wrestlingworth in 1819.  I can't find any references to an Elizabeth BRIDE or indeed any Brides in Wrestlingworth where she says she was born - I wonder is she was actually BREDE and somehow connected to Mary BREED of Southill - she and John had a daughter Sophia who married James BARTLE and is living nextdoor to James and Sophia CARVER in 51/61. 

Regards
Jan

[johnP-bedford]

Hello, Someone did go to read the Wrestlingworth PR this morning, but for the two burials you were interested in, there was no additional info to what I've seen posted on this thread. There was no hint they were sons of John & Elizabeth. 

Talking of them, I expect you have the 6 Wrestlingworth christenings, between 1785 & 1799, but did you know of the one at Cockayne Hatley of William on Dec 11 1783.

There were also two burials of an Eliz Carver at Wrestlingworth on 30 Nov 1801 & 31 July 1809

Plus the marriage on 7 Apr 1805 of William Carver to Eliz Bird, said he came from Bassingbourn, Cambs

Regards John

[janan]

Thanks for looking John - yes I do have all the information you mention. Shame about the unhelpful burial info
Regards
Jan