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FAIRLEY & WHITTLE of Lisburn 18thC
« on: Saturday 05 May 07 01:57 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Anyone know anything about the genealogical context of the FAIRLEY family of Lisburn and/or Boardmills, Co. Down in the early 18thC?

I am especially interested in a William FAIRLEY.


He might be the William FAIRLIE, deceased,  whose effects were sold off by Henry BELL in Lisburn in late Dec 1750.
[Belfast Newsletter Index, Doc ID 53452.]

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/cgi-bin/belfst/Search.cgi


He might be the William FAIRLIE to whom the lease was renewed in 1752 for the Market Square site on which the 1st Lisburn Presbyterian Meeting House was situated .
[Presumably a member of that congregation.
 Seems feasible, the name sounds Scottish.]

http://www.lisburn.com/books/presbyterianism_lisburn/presbyterian1.htm#CHAPTER%205


He might be the William FAIRLEY, gent of Lisnatrunk (a townland just E of Lisburn) to whom, in 1737, Lady Middleton leased the watermill at Boardmills, with 12 acres of land, the grist of four townlands, of half of Killaney and of the lands in Drumra for £15 a year.

[Boardmills is a small village between Lisburn and Saintfield.]

Earlier, by Act of the Irish Parliament of James II in 1689, a "Hugh Fairley of Boardmil" had a judgement of treason recorded against him, also the forfeiture of land and goods, for favouring the cause of William III.

[He must have had some political or military status to get so noticed.
 He may be WF's father.]

http://www.lisburn.com/books/1-2-boardmills-killaney/killaney.htm

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My interest in William FAIRLEY is that he is stated as being the brother-in-law of James WHITTLE.

[In JW's Will, signed 18-APR-1735, proved 14-MAY-1735.
 Overseers: William TATE & John MARTIN
 Witnesses: J? MARTIN, Isabel SAYERS and Jonas SHAW
 Ref: Page 14594, Will proved in Irish Prerogative Court
 Box 9, Tenison Groves Collection, PRONI
 On LDS microfilm 258496, Families Thwaites-Wood]

James' wife was named Jane.
I am trying to establish her surname.

She may be WF's sister, so a FAIRLEY by birth.
[Alternatively  ...
   ... WF may have married a (YTBD) sister of JW;
   ... WF and JW may have married two sisters from another family.]

JW was to be buried in Lisburn Churchyard.
[Presumably (?) surrounding the Cathedral.]

JW's residence was "Lisburn Road, Co. Antrim".
No town given.
It may simply have been nearby to Lisburn town.
In 1720 a JW is in Old Warren and Knockmore townlands to the SW.
[Ref:  PRONI MIC/664/1 Hertford & Wallace estate records
 pps 25 & 43.]


JW instructed that his holding in Camlin parish be sold.
His wife sold "all parcels of lands"  (totalling 103A 3R 16P Scotch Cunningham Measure) in October 1736, to Patrick FERGUSON, a tanner from Belfast.  Amount not recorded.

[Ref: Deed, Memorial No. 61440.
Summarised on page 27of Transcript Book 88.]
Witnessed by William TATE and Hans CAMPBELL, gents of Lisburn, and Francis JOY, gent of Belfast.]

The land was situated at Ederaowen.  This area beside Lough Neagh lying between the Glenavy and Crumlin rivers and includes the townland of Ballyshannaghill (Ballyshannochy) where the later Glenavy WHITTLE family farmed at Thistleborough.

The Lisburn family's issue consisted of:

Dr. John WHITTLE (d. 1747)
    = (01-MAY-1735) Dorcas PRICE  (no issue)

James WHITTLE

Violet WHITTLE

I have found a Violet b. 1699 and a John b. 1700, both with father James WHITTLE in the baptismal records,.

[Ref: Page 14892, 1st Lisburn Presbyterian Church Records
 Baptisms 1692-1700, Marriages 1688-1696
 Box 9 (?), Tenison Groves Collection, PRONI
 On LDS microfilm 258497, Surname W & Antrim County]

However, son James (expected b. 1701-1705, say) is proving elusive.
[Ref: Index to baptismal records, 1692-1715, held by the church.
 Looks like I'll have to travel over to NI to study them in detail,
 at Church House or PRONI.]


I am 95% sure that the Lisburn WHITTLEs are the previous generation to the Glenavy ones, linked through son James.

The Glenavy family start with a James WHITTLE.
He married Mrs. Elizabeth DONALDSON in 1726 at Glenavy.
He married a Mrs. CAMPBELL later.
She already had a son, Hans CAMPBELL.

It looks like the first wife was the Elizabeth WHITTLE who died suddenly in 1728.  She was wife of James WHITTLE of Lisburn, soap boiler.  She was a CAMPBELL by birth.

[Ref: Page 14594, Connor Will,
 signed 08-MAY-1728, proved 16-MAY-1728
 Box 9, Tenison Groves Collection, PRONI
 On LDS microfilm 258496, Families Thwaites-Wood]


People from "Glenevie" are listed in the 1st Lisburn Pb records.
The Lisburn JW is mentioned in the Session Book, so obviously took his religion seriously.

The later Glenavy JW was co-warden (with GORMAN) at St. Aidan's CoI.  I understand (from Bob FOY, thanks!) that it was quite common for Pb folks to do this if their Meeting House was not nearby.

I suspect that William FAIRLEY will turn out to have been involved with politics.

[Glenavy James WHITTLE was (supposedly) the only Liberal member of Dublin City Council (so, an alderman) at one time.  The PRICE family were MPs for Downpatrick, Saintfield and Lisburn in the Dublin parliament, so may have "energised" JW in that pursuit.]


Any/all help greatly appreciated.

Ta,

John
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: FAIRLEY & WHITTLE of Lisburn 18thC
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 October 20 13:47 GMT (UK) »
This is a very old post, so maybe you already know this, but William Fairlie’s only son was Hans Fairlie. So I would guess the mother of Hans Campbell was William’s sister.

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Re: FAIRLEY & WHITTLE of Lisburn 18thC
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 October 20 16:26 GMT (UK) »
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Re: FAIRLEY & WHITTLE of Lisburn 18thC
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 October 20 12:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Doublebassy,

Welcome aboard young sailor!
[Looking forward to hearing your music - no doubt inspired by "Master & Commander"!]

Very keen to hear more of your genealogical interest.


My main WHITTLE family driver was "Sally" a fine old Southern States lady from Virginia.
[Last I heard she was sinking fast, and had passed over FT command to a Niece.]

From memory, the Hans name came in with the Georgians, following the demise of the Stewarts.
Recall that the family of Hans SLOANE, founder of the British Museum in London, were landholders in the area of Co. Down near Lisburn.

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I'm a tad tied up immediately, finalising my dear auld Daddy's transition out of the Given Paradise.
Anecdotes/Ulsterisms filling my brain - must write them down!

Will respond more next week. Promise.

Capt Jock
[Trawler of the murky depths.]
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: FAIRLEY & WHITTLE of Lisburn 18thC
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 October 20 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Thanks.

My current interests are McCullochs and Shaws in Co Antrim. My interest in Fairlie is that I think William Fairlie’s daughter by his first wife, Elinor (b 1720) who married Ezekiel Bullock, is the ‘Helen’ Fairlie mentioned as a granddaughter in the 1728 will of Henry McCulloch of Feehogue (near Randalstown). After William died, his two children Elinor and Hans (b 1733) were owed money by Samuel Campbell of Lurgan. William McCulloch of Dublin (g nephew of Henry) bought the debt in 1755.

So I’m guessing James Whittle’s second wife was Jane Fairlie then Campbell then Whittle.

https://chriswestancestryblog.wordpress.com/tag/mcculloch/

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Re: FAIRLEY & WHITTLE of Lisburn 18thC
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 October 20 13:47 GMT (UK) »
I just found a long and interesting post you wrote elsewhere about the Whittles living in Castle Upton. You might be interested to know that William McCulloch’s grandmother was Margaret Upton (b 1671), one of the 18 children of Arthur Upton & Dorothy Beresford. Her twin brother was the ancestor of the Lords Templetown.