Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?

[paxisnz]

Suzey -  are you happy to keep looking things up - don't want to over burden you!!
If so am looking for a James CANN of Lambeth (not the famous one married to Elizabeth but my one was married to Jane PAINE in 1834) who was a WATERMAN.
By 1835 they were in Richmond Surrey
Also his son Henry living in White Cross bulls in 1881 - also a waterman.
Many thanks

[PrueM]

Hi paxisnz, hope you don't mind me piggybacking on your post, but I couldn't see any other related thread 
If Suzey is possibly offering lookups, may I be so cheeky as to ask for one too?
I would like to know whether the Bindings mention Jethro DOBSON, born 1826 Eton, Bucks and a waterman on the census from 1871 onwards.  There is a family story (completely unverified) that he was a swimming master at Eton, and that he was one of the Queen's watermen, but I always take these tales with a very large pinch of salt!
Thank you very much for any help.

Cheers
Prue

[krissy]

hi there,
im sure waterman can have various interpretations but in my ancestors case he was so called because he used to own a little boat and earned his living ferrying people across from devon to cornwall, sort of like a water taxi! but dont suppose they had heard of the word taxi then!

krissy

[bearkat]

The job of a waterman was to ferry people on a river.  In London many went on to become lighterman, unloading cargo from large ships on the Thmaes.

There's a very interesting entry for Watermen on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermen

[suzey68]

Sorry I did not spot this new thread sooner.
In reply to an earlier message from Paxisnz.
I have searched the bindings and can only find the following Cann names:

George Cann bound 21/10/1819 in Lambeth to Thomas White not completed
James Cann bound 04/05/1820 in Richmond to Theophilus Ellard completed 12/07/1832
John Cann bound 14/06/1855 in Richmond to James Cann completed 08/07/1862
Charles Cann bound 09/09/1862 in Southwark to James Gingell Jnr completed 12/01/1869
Edward Cann bound 12/04/1870 in Southwark to George Salt completed 09/05/1876
Henry Cann bound 14/07/1868 in Richmond to James Fruin completed 12/08/1873

There are also some Paine names on the bindings if you have any specific names for Jane's family.

Regards
Sue

[nanny jan]

Just spotted this thread; hope I can sneak a request in.

On 1851 census John Pain/e (bc1828 Woolwich) is listed as a waterman; can you find him listed?

His family are beginning to live up to their name.


Nanny Jan

[suzey68]

Hi Prue

I cannot find a Jethro Dobson in the apprentice bindings or in the "Contracts for over aged boys 1868-1926"

I suspect that Eton would be inside of the area covered by the Company Of Watermen and Lightermen as I believe that they covered from Windsor to Gravesend.

Regards
Sue

[suzey68]

Hi Nanny Jan

Looks like I may have found him, I have also included two other listings which may be relevent.

John Hutcheson Pain bound 13/01/1842 in Woolwich to William West - completed 08/02/1849
Henry Edmund Langham bound 13/04/1854 in Woolwich to John Hutcheson Pain - not completed
william Pain bound 09/06/1831 in Woolwich to John Wright Bull - Not completed - Dead

Hope this is the right family.
Cheers
Sue

[nanny jan]

Hi Sue,

That's great.... JH Pain is my man and William I think is his brother; William died 1838/9.

Do you know why Henry bound to John 1854 did not complete?  I'm curious because I might have found John on 1881 census in Portland Prison, but listed as a fishmonger.

Thanks,

Nanny Jan