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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #207 on: Friday 19 November 10 14:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Anita,

Thanks again for your reply. I can't go to the LMA at the moment because I am in Pennsylvania!

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #208 on: Friday 19 November 10 15:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi sorry didnt know where you are let me have a few more details and i will see what i can do from here- cant promise anything Anita
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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #209 on: Sunday 19 December 10 04:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Suzey,

the lookups that you have been doing are amazing and I'm hoping that I can add my family to your list. They have many generations of watermen/lightermen on the Thames and living in Australia I am limited to the information that I can access. I was able to check the Apprentice Bindings from 1798 onwards but would love to know of family watermen earlier than that date. I would also love if you could check the The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames Admissions List for Pensioners 1794-1837 and The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames Reassingments 1688-1908 for me. The surname is Puplett (Paplett/Poplett) and they were all mainly living in Woolwich/Bermondsey/Mile End. I greatly appreciate the time and effort that you have shown on everyone's behalf and hope that you will be able to help. I look forward to hearing from you and wish you a very Merry Christmas,
Regards, Jo :)
Puplett, Sonnex, Lott, Dunkiss, Hart - London area.
Hudson, Jenner, Dedman - Sussex
Leach, Hopkins, Saunders - Wales
Leach, Lipscombe - Hampshire
Sipthorpe - Lancashire
Walters - Cornawall & Australia
Kingshott, Matheson, Pitt, McDonald, Keogh - Australia.


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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #210 on: Tuesday 18 January 11 09:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Suzey
I'm so thrilled to find you. I have been trawling the internet looking for watermen on the Thames.... are you able to help another soul.
My ancestors (MARSHALL) were a long line of watermen on the Thames. Are you able to help? My Ancestor, WILLIAM ROBERT MAGNESS MARSHALL , was bound to his father, Jonathan on 14.9.1843 
Also a brother JONATHAN MAGNESS MARSHALL bound to his father Jonathan on 8.11.1838
  I believe he was born c 1815. Married in 1848. 
 Their father was JONATHAN MARSHALL .
 Also, FREDERICK WILLIAM MARSHALL, son of William Robert Magness , bound on 10.4.1866
All listed as watermen.
I would like to go further back, if you can help.
Are you able to help. My mother tells me we are from a long line of watermen.

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #211 on: Sunday 30 January 11 13:23 GMT (UK) »
I am tracing th Deal Family of Bermbondsey.  They were all Lightermen/Watermen.  I believe Thomas Deal may have died by drowniong but cannot find any details of this.  Any help would be much appreciayted.  JANCHAP.

Hi Denise
Here are all the Deal I can find.

William Deal bound 07/11/1718 at Bermondsey to Thomas Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
Daniel Sutton bound 26/08/1720 at Bermondsea to Thomas Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
Francis Bowne bound 04/11/1757 at St.Olaves to John Dealdid not finish 00/00/0000
William Deal bound 11/09/1766 at St.Catherines to Charles Rickasie did not finish 00/00/0000
Jno. Deal bound 05/01/1804 at Bermondsey ** to William Randall Deal freedom 16/05/1811
Matthew Deal bound 23/04/1807 at Bermondsey ** to Thomas Deal Snr freedom 09/06/1814
Randall Deal bound 30/05/1822 at Bermondsey to John Messenger freedom 09/07/1829
Randall William Deal bound 21/08/1800 at Bermondsey to Thomas Deal freedom 31/12/1807
Thomas Deal bound 16/04/1789 at Rotherhithe to Thomas Morris freedom 05/05/1796
Thomas Deal Jnr bound 21/12/1815 at Cherry Garden to Thomas Deal Snr did not finish 00/00/0000
William Deal bound 27/07/1820 at Bermondsey to William Randall freedom 09/08/1827
Charles Quere Harston bound 01/09/1814 at Cherry Garden to Wm.Randall Deal freedom 12/12/1822
James Saunders bound 23/07/1801 at Rotherhithe ** to Thomas Deal Jnr freedom 29/12/1808
Edward Stannard bound 18/05/1786 at Bermondsey to John Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
William Jenkins Thompson bound 23/03/1809 at Rotherhithe ** to William Randall Deal freedom 09/05/1816
Alfred Deal bound 14/10/1858 at Bermondsey to Randall Deal (Younger) did not finish 00/00/0000
Charles Thomas Deal bound 14/10/1824 at Rotherhithe to Thomas Deal DROWNED
Henry By Deal bound 04/01/1827 at St Mary Abchurch to Charles William By freedom 09/01/1834
Randall Deal bound 09/08/1849 at Bermondsey to Randall Deal freedom 11/09/1856
Robert Deal bound 09/08/1855 at Greenwich to Randall Deal freedom 11/07/1865
Thomas Deal bound 14/01/1836 at Rotherhithe to Henry By Deal freedom 10/10/1844
William Deal bound 09/12/1847 at Rotherhithe to William Deal freedom 14/12/1854
Henry Jno. Hambrook bound 10/11/1825 at Bermondsey to John Deal freedom 13/12/1832
William Mayhew bound 13/03/1856 at Bermondsey to William Deal (Younder) did not finish 00/00/0000
Charles Bowles Deal bound 13/07/1869 at Bermondsey to Francis Wm Hedger freedom 13/10/1874
Charles Newton Deal bound 12/08/1879 at Bermondsey to William Deal freedom 09/11/1886
Edward Deal bound 09/11/1880 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 08/02/1887
Edwin Thomas Deal bound 09/04/1872 at Bermondsey to William Deal (Younger) freedom 13/05/1879
George Deal bound 10/04/1877 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 09/10/1883
Matthew John Deal bound 10/09/1867 at Bermondsey to Charles Matt'w W Morris did not finish 00/00/0000
Randall Deal bound 08/09/1874 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 09/11/1880
John Stanley Johnson bound 08/08/1865 at Poplar to Randal Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
Christopher Edward Blythe bound AUG 10 at Bermondsey to Edwin Thomas Deal# CANCELLED
Albert Edward Deal bound 1890 AUG 12 at Bermondsey to William Deal freedom 1895 SEP 10
William John Harding bound 1907 MAR 12 at Camberwell to Randel Deal freedom 1909 APR 23
Arthur Wells bound 1892 OCT 11 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 1895 MAY 14

The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Sarah Deal (Wife Of Thomas) Admitted 1818 FEB 24 From Bermondsey
William Deal Admitted 1794 Before From Greenwich College

The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Edward Andrews bound 1781 JUN 28 Reassigned 1784 JUL 1 To Thomas Deal
Henry By Deal bound 1827 JAN 4 Reassigned 1829 MAR 12 To Thomas Deal Snr.
James Lawrence bound 1838 OCT 11 Reassigned 1841 MAR 11 To Henry By Deal
Hiram Harris Slade bound 1810 APR 19 Reassigned 1811 DEC 26 To Thomas Deal
James Tilroy bound 1758 MAY 12 Reassigned 1763 FEB 4 To William Deal

Regards Sue

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #212 on: Sunday 30 January 11 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Suzie

I am researching the Deal family in Bermondsey and Rotherhithe.  They were all Watermern/Lightermen.  I believe Thomas Deal 1748-1825 might have drowned but cannot find any record of this.  Any help would be much appreciated.  JANCHAP

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #213 on: Monday 28 February 11 17:31 GMT (UK) »
I too am searching for apprenticeship information about my watermen ancestors. Edward John LAWSON (my 3xgt.g'father) was born in Stepney in 1771, and was described as a "waterman" between 1795 and 1813. From 1815 to 1841(when he died), he was a "lighterman". His father was also Edward,and he probably died in 1789.
Edward John had four sons:-Edward John  b.1795; Nicholas b. 1799; James b. 1801;  Richard William b. 1815
So far, I have been unable to find out whether they also worked on the river.
For many years the family lived in the Ratcliff area of Stepney.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #214 on: Tuesday 20 September 11 14:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Suzey

I am new to this and am trying to find out about my relation who was a waterman or lighterman. His name is Richard Harris and he was born in 1793 in Southwark London, all i have is that he won the Coat and Badge race in 1814.

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #215 on: Monday 03 October 11 15:18 BST (UK) »
Hi
So many questions i hope someone could help,
back in 2008 you posted a load of Tuckey waterman.  I am researching William Tuckey born in london in 1802 approx and listed in the 1841 census and in baptism records for his children as a waterman or lighterman.

in your original list one william tuckey didn't finish his apprenticeship so am i right in supposing that he wouldn't have had the right to call himself a waterman in census returns?

also the william tuckey who it might be was apprenticed in 1812 when he would have been 10 - 11 years would that be correct?
is there anywhere that the apprenticeship agreements can be looked at?
Thanks to all the fellow genealogists out there, you're always so helpful
jayg