Hugh Wagstaff/Margaret Weir

[runningbear]

hi trish,

let me first welcome you to rootschat and thank you so much for clearing up the 1841 census for your archibald.

i am almost sure that the rootschatters interested in this thread would be interested in anymore details you have regarding your archibald.

if you do not have any more i am sure if you post your details here that some kind soul will help.

Joe

[rainmont]

Hi Joe,

Certainly.  I'm happy to share what I have on Archibald and family.  Much of this is compiled from the Pedigree Resource File of Claude Wrathall, and from Stephen who originated this thread.  I am descended from Archibald's brother, Hugh.

Archibald Laurie Wagstaff
b. 23 Apr 1810 Loudoun
d. 5 Mar 1861, Newmilns
Parents: Joseph Wagstaff and Jean Brown
Spouse Margaret MacKay

7 Known Children
John Wagstaff
b. abt. 1835 Loudoun.
Stewart McKay Wagstaff
b. 19 Feb 1837 Newmilns
Joseph Wagstaff
b. 24 Jun 1839 Loudoun
d. abt 1906
(note – there is a christening record for a son Joseph in 1844, so some have speculated that there were 2 Josephs, one b. 1839 who died bef. 1844, then a second b. 1844 who d. 1906)
Son Wagstaff
b. and d. 1841
William Wagstaff
b. abt. 1842 Loudoun
d. Apr or May 1850 Loudoun
Archibald Wagstaff
b. Feb 1843
d. 27 Mar 1903
William Wagstaff
b. 1851 - 1852 Galston
d. bef. 1916

Cheers,
Trish

[runningbear]

hi trish,

this is what i have found so far, hope it may be of some help

1851 census- brown street, galston

archibald...age 40...mason's labourer
margaret...age 40
stewart...age 14...hand loom weaver
joseph...age 12
archibald...age 8

stewart married elizabeth young in galston 1/1/1857

wagstaff children from the marriage showing up on the igi's

archibald...born loudoun 27/6/1858
margaret...born galston...22/11/1859
martha mckay...born galston 17/5/1862
jean mckay...born galston 14/1/1865
robert young...born galston 10/4/1867
archibald...born galston...15/8/1869
william young...born loudoun 14/1/1872
joseph...born loudoun  29/4/1874

john married jean mair in mauchline 17/7/1857

archibald...born tarbolton 22/9/1858
marion smillie...born mauchline 14/8/1860
john...born mauchline 2/1/1863
jean...born mauchline 30/8/1865
john(twin)...born loudoun 4/11/1868
margaret(twin)...born loudoun 4/11/1868
williamina...born loudoun 27/1/1871
janet smith...born loudoun 12/12/1873

1861 census- main street, loudoun

margaret...age 50...pirn filler
joseph...age 22...weaver
archibald...age 17...labourer
william...age 9

1861 census- brown street, galston


stewart...age 24...cotton weaver
elizabeth...age 23
margaret...age 1

1861 census- deaconbank, mauchline

john...age 26...railway surfaceman
jean...age 25
archibald...age 2
marion...age 7 months

1871 census- isles street, newmilns

stewart...cotton weaver
elizabeth...age 34
margaret...age 11
helen...age 7
jane...age 5
robert...age 4
archibald...age 2

1871 census- burnside cottage, loudoun

john...age 36...railway surfaceman
jean...age 34
archibald...age 12
marion...age 10
jean...age 5
john...age 2
margaret...age 2
william m....age 2 months

1881 census- northgate, peebles

stewart...age 45...millworker
elizabeth...age 45
jane...age 16...millworker
robert...age 14...millworker
archibald...age 12
william...age 9
elizabeth...age 3

1881 census- 4 doitburn street, loudoun

john...age 45...labourer
jane...age 45
archibald...age 20...labourer
jane...age 16...general servant
john...age 12
margaret...age 12
williamina...age 9
janet...age 7
mary...age 4

1891 census- 17 old town, peebles

stewart...age 55...weaver
elizabeth...age 55
jane...age 29...millworker
helen...age 28
archibald...age 19...mason
elizabeth...age 13
james swinton...grand-son...age 6
james price...grand-son...age 3
elizabeth price...grand-daughter...age 1

1891 census- hawthorn cottage, main street, loudoun

john..age 56...railway labourer
jean...age 55
margaret...age 22...lace darner
minnie...age 20...dressmaker
janet...age 18...lace darner
mary...age 14
robert mills...grand-son...age 2 months
william mckay...uncle...age 86...retired weaver

1901 census- 132 holigate, uphall, west lothian

william main...age 34...shale miner
jean...age 35
john...age 9
stewart...age 6
marion...age 3
william...age 1
stewart wagstaff...father-in-law...age 63...oil work labourer


Joe

[rainmont]

Fantastic!  Thanks very much.  - Trish

[rainmont]

Regarding this household listed by Joe:

Main street, Newmilns, Loudoun
Jean Wagstaff...age 70
Hugh Wagstaff...age 20...weaver
Thomas Wagstaff....age 20...tile maker
Margaret Love...age 15


If anyone is able to shed light on the parents of this Hugh Wagstaff "20" living with Jean Wagstaff (M.S. Brown) during the 1841 c., I would greatly appreciate any clues.  He may be Jean's son (or possibly grandson), but we have no birth record to verify.

I am certain that this Hugh is not Jean's son Hugh b. 1799 who resided in Paisley during the 1841 c. with his wife and several children.  He had several occupations over the years, but was never known to be a weaver as far as I know.

We believe the Hugh listed here is the Hugh that married Barbara Ferguson later in 1841.

Margaret Love is also listed in this household.  Her burial record describes her as Jean's granddaughter, but we have not been able to determine who her parents were.

Thomas may be Jean's son Thomas b. 1808, but the age (listed "20") would be off a bit on this census (I guess stranger things have happened).  Thomas should be abt. 33 in 1841.

Regards,
Trish

[runningbear]

hi trish,

thomas wagstaff married helen kay 5/11/1846 loudoun

1851 census- west dalley, galston

thomas...age 43...farm labourer
helen...age 44
mary...age 4
hugh...age 2
thomas turnbull...son-in-law...age 8
james highlet....son-in-law...age 17...hand loom weaver
john kay...age 87...former farm labourer

1861 census- main street, newmilns

thomas...age 50...labourer
helen...age 56...pirn winder
mary...age 14...weaver
hugh...age 12...weaver
susan....age 9

mary wagstaff married matthew connell 10/2/1871

1871 census- mid gate house, galston

thomas...age 62...labourer
helen...age 68
hugh...age 22...hand loom weaver
susan...age 19...hand loom weaver
matthew connell...grand-son...age 1

after the 1871 census, susan wagstaff married archibald love in galston 18/8/1871

1881 census- lanfine old lodge, galston

thomas...age 73...labourer
helen...age 80
hugh...age 32...hand loom weaver

1881 census- 16 kilholm street, loudoun

matthew connell...age 40....weaver
mary...age 34
matthew...age 11
mary...age 9
william...age 7
thomas wagstaff connell...age 5
helen...age 2
jane...age 11 months

1881 census- main street kilmaurs

archibald love...age 34...shoemaker(journeyman)
susan...age 29
helen...age 9
robert...age 7
archibald...age 5
mary...age 1

1891 census- 60 loudoun road, loudoun

matthew connell...age 52...weaver
mary...age 44
mary...age 19...stocking framer
william...age 17...shutler
thomas...age 15...shutler
helen...age 13
jane...age 11
robert...age 8
james...age 3

1891 census- irvine vennel, off main street, kilmaurs

susan...age 41...boot finisher
helen...age 19...boot finisher
robert...age 17...boot finisher
archibald...age 15...boot finisher
mary...age 10
thomas...age 8
agnes...age 7
allan...age 5

1901 census- 44 riverbank street, loudoun

matthew connell...age 62...weaver
mary...age 64
thomas...age 24...weaver
helen...age 23
jane...age 21...winder
robert...age 19...weaver
james...age 13
mary w young...age 3...grand-daughter
thomas young...age 11 months...grandson...born philadelphia, usa



Joe

[rainmont]

Thanks again, Joe.  I will review all that you have sent.  There is undoubtedly new information here for me.
Best,
Trish

[honestman]

Just a thanks to Joe for all the information, I am sure there is some new stuff for me in there as well

Cheers

Honestman

[cat30]

Hi All,

Have done a Wagstaff search on Scotlandspeople of OPR births and baptisms from 01 jan 1730 to 31 dec 1843 inclusive of all parishes not just Loudoun.  The only Hugh listed to Joseph and Jean is b.22/12/1799.

The only Thomas is b.24/07/1808

How can we tell that the Jean Wagstaff 1841c is actually Jean Brown Wagstaff? I think it very likely as I know the age fits for us but 1841 c does tend to be wrong ages in a lot of cases. 

Think I'm getting more confused!

Regards

catherine