1851 and 1861 and 1871 Glamorgan help needed

[pigginnut]

Does anyone out there have 1851 or 1861 or 1871 welsh census that covers the Glamorgan area.
I have a John Heycock born approx 1843 Taibach Glamorgan - he married Elizabeth Rees in the latter part of 1859 - They had a son called john born early 1860's in Pyle which might give an idea of where to look.

By 1881 they were in Ystiadyfodwg and they stayed there for quite sometime.

I already have the family on 1881 - 1891 - 1901

Any help for earlier census would be gratefully recieved as I have a list of Heycocks and cannot seem to fit them together very well

Teresa

[Welsh Jen]

1851 / 61 Census help given via instant message

[cheeseman]

Hi.
Wonder if I could ask for some kind person if they could look for John Heycock b 1843 Tiabach Glam. he married Elizabeth Rees in 1859, and they had a son John in 1860's born Pyle.. would love to know if he is on the census's


Thanks Pat

[Welsh Jen]

Cheeseman, strange....... Y byd bach! (small world) just did a look up for pigginnut for the same individual. It will be worth you contacting her incase you are both tracing the same tree. 

[pigginnut]

Hi Jen, Cheeseman was a very kind individual who heard of my lack of response on the Genes Reunited board so posted the message here to help - bless her she didn't know I had already done it.

Whatever you can do to help I will be grateful for - what I gave you is all I have literally - I am doing this as a gift and surprise for my friend her mothers name is Elizabeth Heycock she would have been born after the 1901 census just and I am going on the fact that she told me her grandparents were Samuel and Amelia  and they lived in the Tonypandy area at least about 1901 and after before is another matter - I also know elizabeth hada brother haydn heycock born abt 1901 - but he is not on census - I found a birth record for a Haydn on freebmd for June quarter 1901 Pontypridd district  I am sure this must be him - here's me wishing he was a few weeks premature I might have just found him on that census lol

Teresa

Thank you so much

Teresa

[Welsh Jen]

Ahh, nevermind  I have since merged the 2 threads together (to alleviate any confusion)

Going through the print out from the information you gave yesterday.

The placenames giving you confusion are:
Adderanon = Aberafan
Pontrhydyfe = Pontrhydyfen

The Census information for 1901 1891 & 1881 seem to be the correct Heycock family. It is just a question of now finding out about the census futher back , will have another look through the 1841 - 51 & 61 Glamorgan census' for you to see if i can fathom it all out!   

Hopefully some one can give you an 1871 Glamorgan look up for the family concerned


The 1861 census detail I gave you is the only possible for John c. 1843 So I believe this is the correct entry for him, which would mean he is not married in 1861:

Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
083 1861 CENSUS OF MICHAELSTON LOWER. R.G.9/4083, E.D.16.                                                                           
Piece: 4083      Folio: 072     Schedule: 207
Address: YNYS DAVID             

HEYCOCK JOHN               HD M  51   COLLIERY OVERMAN         
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1810)
HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          WI M  48   -                         
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1813)
HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          DA -  23   DRESSMAKER               
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1838)
HEYCOCK MARY               DA -  21   HOUSEMAID                 
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1840)
HEYCOCK JOHN                 SO -  19   COAL MINER               
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1842)
HEYCOCK SAMUEL             SO -  17   COAL MINER               
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1844)
HEYCOCK ANN                DA -  14   HOUSEMAID                 
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1847)
HEYCOCK BETHUEL            SO -  10   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MICHAELSTON-SUPER-AVON       (c1851)
HEYCOCK REES               SO -   6   -                        [
                                      GLA MICHAELSTON-SUPER-AVON]      (c1855)
HEYCOCK WILLIAM            SO -   4   -                         
                                      GLA MICHAELSTON-SUPER-AVON       (c1857)
HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          DA -    5M -                         
                                      GLA MICHAELSTON-SUPER-AVON       (c1860)


The other Heycock's who I think could possibly be related ( I have a feeling the two heads of the households x2John's are cousins or perhaps Father & Son?) are below, note there is a Baby 2mths old, and the husband and wife are John & Elizabeth also. I think this is where you have gone wrong perhaps?:

Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4080 1861 CENSUS OF HAFOD-Y-PORTH. R.G.9/4080, E.D.4.                                                                               
Piece: 4080      Folio: 093     Schedule: 176
Address: HIGH ST.TAIBACH       

HEYCOCK JOHN               HD M  32   COAL MINER               
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1829)
HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          WI M  22   -                         
                                      CMN LLANELLI                     (c1839)
HEYCOCK CATHERINE          DA -   8   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1853)
HEYCOCK MARY A.            DA -   5   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1856)
HEYCOCK JOHN               SO -    2M -                         
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1861)
REES THOMAS                BO M  60   LABOURER                 
                                      CGN LLANGYNLLO                   (c1801)
EVANS JOHN                 BO U  19   COAL MINER               
                                      GLA LLANGYNWYD                   (c1842)

It could be that this couple were the ones getting married Sept quarter of 1859 in Neath. The older children may be born out of wedlock or Elizabeth (possibly Rees) may be their step mother. The census would note the head of the households relationship to the rest of the family listed.

[Welsh Jen]

There are once again other John Heycock's listeed in 1851 but this is the only one in the correct age range:

2462 1851 CENSUS OF MARGAM TINWORKS. REF.H.O.107/2462, E.D.1E.                                                                       
Piece: 2462      Folio: 116     Schedule: 085
Address: GWAR-Y-CAEA           

HEYCOCK JOHN               HD M  41   OVERMAN IN TINWORKS       
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1810)
HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          WI M  38   OVERMANS WIFE             
                                      KEN CANTERBURY                   (c1813)
HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          DA -  12   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1839)
HEYCOCK MARY               DA -  10   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1841)
HEYCOCK JOHN               SO -   8   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1843)
HEYCOCK SAMUEL             SO -   6   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1845)
HEYCOCK ANNE               DA -   3   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1848)

The entry below is the John who may be related to the other John (c.1810) Note the name Bethuel which is apparent in the family line in the 1881 census:

2462 1851 CENSUS OF TAIBACH. REF.H.O.107/2462, E.D.1C.  Piece: 2462      Folio: 071     Schedule: 256
Address: TAIBACH               

HEYCOCK BETHUEL            HD M  52   COLLIER                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1799)
HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          WI M  54   WIFE                     
                                      GLA CADOXTON                     (c1797)
HEYCOCK JOHN                SO U  21   COLLIER                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1830)
HEYCOCK DAVID              SO U  18   COLLIER                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1833)
HEYCOCK REES               SO U  16   COLLIER                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1835)
HEYCOCK MARY               DA U  14   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1837)
HEYCOCK WILLIAM            SO U   7   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1844)
In 1841 there is this entry:
Glamorgan Family History Society 1841 Census CD
District Name: Neath Enumeration District:6 Hafod Hamlet           
Piece: 1422/18      Folio: 039     Schedule: 110
Address: COTTAGES               

N 06 039 110  COTTAGES               HEYCOCK BETHUEL            40   (c1801)
                                     COLLIER                         YES
N 06                                 HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          40   (c1801)
                                     -                               YES
N 06                                 HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          40   (c1801)
                                     -                               YES
N 06                                 HEYCOCK PHILIP             15   (c1826)
                                     COLLIER                         YES
N 06                                 HEYCOCK ANN                15   (c1826)
                                     -                               YES
N 06                                 HEYCOCK BETHUEL            10   (c1831)
                                     -                               YES
N 06                                 HEYCOCK JOHN               10   (c1831)
                                     -                               YES
N 06                                 HEYCOCK DAVID               5   (c1836)
                                     -                               YES
N 06                                 HEYCOCK REES                5   (c1836)
                                     -                               YES
N 06                                 HEYCOCK MARY                3   (c1838)
                                     -                               YES

I also have these pre civil registration marriage entries:

HAYCOCK BETHUEL MARGAM EVANS ELIZABETH CADOXTON NEATH 22 JULY 1820 CADOX NTH (WPB)

HAYCOCK BETHUIL MARGAM JONES ELIZABETH MARGAM 29 MAY 1790 MARGAM (P)

I hope I have not added to the confusion. It is very likely these 2 families are linked.

[pigginnut]

    Thank you soooo much

I shall sit and try and get my head round it all now -- I really appreciate what you have done

Kindest regards
Teresa

[BillHealey]

Welsh Jen, the John listed in this record is my greatgreatgrandfather. His wife Elizabeth was Elizabeth Edmonds. Yes, I have wondered about her age with the oldest children but I cannot find a marriage record for my greatgreatgrandfather.

Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4080 1861 CENSUS OF HAFOD-Y-PORTH. R.G.9/4080, E.D.4.                                                                               
Piece: 4080      Folio: 093     Schedule: 176
Address: HIGH ST.TAIBACH       

HEYCOCK JOHN               HD M  32   COAL MINER               
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1829)
HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          WI M  22   -                         
                                      CMN LLANELLI                     (c1839)
HEYCOCK CATHERINE          DA -   8   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1853)
HEYCOCK MARY A.            DA -   5   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1856)
HEYCOCK JOHN               SO -    2M -                         
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1861)
REES THOMAS                BO M  60   LABOURER                 
                                      CGN LLANGYNLLO                   (c1801)
EVANS JOHN                 BO U  19   COAL MINER               
                                      GLA LLANGYNWYD                   (c1842)

The record below lists the family of my 3rd greatgrandfather, Bethuel.

2462 1851 CENSUS OF TAIBACH. REF.H.O.107/2462, E.D.1C.  Piece: 2462      Folio: 071     Schedule: 256
Address: TAIBACH               

HEYCOCK BETHUEL            HD M  52   COLLIER                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1799)
HEYCOCK ELIZABETH          WI M  54   WIFE                     
                                      GLA CADOXTON                     (c1797)
HEYCOCK JOHN                SO U  21   COLLIER                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1830)
HEYCOCK DAVID              SO U  18   COLLIER                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1833)
HEYCOCK REES               SO U  16   COLLIER                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1835)
HEYCOCK MARY               DA U  14   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1837)
HEYCOCK WILLIAM            SO U   7   SCHOLAR                   
                                      GLA MARGAM                       (c1844)

The marriage listing for Bethuel and Elizabeth Jones is for my 4th greatgrandparents.

I think you may be right in thinking that there may be a cousin relationship between the John in my direct line and the John pigginnut is researching. Looking at the listing you provided from the 1861 census that John had children Bethuel, Samuel and John. Bethuel is not a very common name. My 4th greatgrandfather Bethuel's grandfather was Samuel, and Samuel's father was John. First names and naming conventions are helpful when one can only speculate due to the absence of records.