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Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??
« on: Monday 23 July 07 18:44 BST (UK) »
Here it is.

I definitely looks like 'Elizabeth Alexander formerly Jude' to me. However, I can find no trace of her!!

Paul
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Re: Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 July 07 20:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Paul,
give us a clue- when are you looking for her? Is she on a census as Mrs Alexander?

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Re: Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 July 07 21:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Heywood,

Yes....a bit vague that, isn't it?!

Right, I've found her as Elizabeth Alexander on the England census returns for 1851, 1871 and 1891.

I've also found a potential death recorded in West Derby (Liverpool) in 1893.

The 1851 Census is a strange one though. It states that she's a 'mariner's wife', and she's alone with her 9 month old son John. As you can see, the birth certificate has William as being a Painter (Journeyman).

The 1871 Census has her listed as a widow now, with a son John (Born 1863 ish) - no sign of the older son from 1851, and a daughter Sarah (My Great, great grandmother), born in 1866.

Finally, the 1891 Census has her living with her daughter Sarah and Sarah's family.

Was looking to fill the gaps, possibly a marriage and hopefully find the 1841 census where she'd be under her maiden name! Can seem to find anything on the Free BMD, and the IGI has not turned anything up, oh, except for the 1850 birth of John Alexander...

Regards

Paul
Arnold - Liverpool
Bennett-Co. Down, Ireland
Clisham-Liverpool/Ireland
Cox - Shropshire/Flintshire
Cuddy - Liverpool/Ireland
Dunne - Co. Laois, Ireland
Glue -Sussex
Guest - Staffordshire
Hughes - Co.Laios, Ireland
Jordan - Co.Down, Ireland
Lancaster - Cumberland
Manion - Liverpool/Galway, Ireland
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Re: Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 24 July 07 09:48 BST (UK) »
Hi
It might be worth just clarifying these dates and questioning if all the info does actaully belong to the same family, or if we have two Elizabeth ALexanders around here!

in 1851 we have a mariners wife with a 9 month baby John

Twenty years later...

In 1871 we have a painters widow with a 7 yr old son John, and a 5 year old daughter Sarah

My immediate thought is that the 1851 person is a different one to the others.

What age and place of birth does Eliz give in these censuses? I s the 1851 consistant?




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Re: Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 24 July 07 10:09 BST (UK) »
In 1851, birthplace is Cumberland, in 1871 its Keswick C'land, so would seem to be the same person  :-\

In 1861?

RG9/2696 Folio 16 Page 28
Islington, Liverpool

William Alexander 24 Painter Manchester
Elizabeth 28 Cumberland Keswick (age transcribed as 18, but looks like 28 to me)
William J 1mon? Liverpool
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 24 July 07 10:27 BST (UK) »
William aged 24 in 1861 would be a bit young to have been a husband in 1851.  Yes I know it was lawful, but still unlikely.  Not many 14 year olds could hope to support a wife and family.
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Re: Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 July 07 12:55 BST (UK) »
Afternoon,

Quite confusing this, isn't it?

It looks like it's the same Elizabeth on the different censuses, but the dates are way out!!!

If I purchase the 1893 Death Certificate for Elizabeth Alexander, hopefully it should be the correct one, given it's the only one within the region, it should tell me her husband's name and occupation, shouldn't it? Which would hopefully be William, who was a Painter!

Plus, you'd imagine that the informant would be one of her relatives that she was living with, and it will give me her date and place of birth, and maiden name!

I know the 1851 Census states that she was a Mariner's Wife' but, if William had been a travelling painterm might he have been classed as a Mariner?

Just checked the Death Index between 1866 and 1871, but there are loads of entries for William Alexanders round the 40's age. If he was traveling around, there no real way of knowing is there!

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Arnold - Liverpool
Bennett-Co. Down, Ireland
Clisham-Liverpool/Ireland
Cox - Shropshire/Flintshire
Cuddy - Liverpool/Ireland
Dunne - Co. Laois, Ireland
Glue -Sussex
Guest - Staffordshire
Hughes - Co.Laios, Ireland
Jordan - Co.Down, Ireland
Lancaster - Cumberland
Manion - Liverpool/Galway, Ireland
Pearson - Cumberland
Vallely - Co.Louth, Ireland

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Re: Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 July 07 14:26 BST (UK) »
Soory, but you wont get all that info on her death cert. Though I would still say it is worth getting.

It will give the informant (likely to be husband), cause of death, and address she died at. It may say she is 'wife of XXX' but you are unlikely to get maiden name or date of birth, just age at death.

I cant see how a painter, even a travelling one (!) would be described as a Mariner!

modified a few minutes later:
Aren't I an idiot? Of course informant wont be her husband - she is a widow, he predeceased her. So, will be interesting to see who it is. Maybe daughter Sarah if that is who she was living with. What is Sarah married name by the way - a full transcript of the census details you have would be helpful. Cant find her on 1881 at all at present.
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Re: Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude??
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 25 July 07 14:52 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Sarah is on the 1891 England  Census as Sarah Manion, married Henry Manion in 1890.

Paul
Arnold - Liverpool
Bennett-Co. Down, Ireland
Clisham-Liverpool/Ireland
Cox - Shropshire/Flintshire
Cuddy - Liverpool/Ireland
Dunne - Co. Laois, Ireland
Glue -Sussex
Guest - Staffordshire
Hughes - Co.Laios, Ireland
Jordan - Co.Down, Ireland
Lancaster - Cumberland
Manion - Liverpool/Galway, Ireland
Pearson - Cumberland
Vallely - Co.Louth, Ireland