looking for altmann - brauer from germany to usa

[aghadowey]

I understood that you believe the Wilhelmine Altmann in Effingham in 1870 & 1880 is not the one you are looking for but included her death in case there later turns out to be a connection. In your first post you did seem to link them as possibly being the same person in spite of the age difference.
Avena township is in Fayette County not Lafiette so I'm wondering how reliable your source for that information might be.

The bit of your previous post I did not understand was:

but we feel we must apologise to you and the group, we will not ask this question again or any other on the group.
as in australia the LDS data base is sadly lacking and searching their data base online in the USA from here is slow as slow can be, and again no results of any meaning.

[lensgarden]

aghadowey,

we are sorry but you seem to be taking this somewhere that we don't want to go and somewhere at the end of the day will only leave wonderment and awe at your motives!!??

the following quote is information from the source it indicates we can't say it any simpler than that:

"1870 United States Federal Census, Avena township, Lafiette county, Illinois:"

FYI i cut and pasted that info so i could be sure i did not create any typo's ok??

so you are saying the US0fA censor for the year 1870 is incorrect? that may be so but if you dwell on that then we will get nowhere ok?

i feel you are quiet capable of searching out that censor and seeing what is written there for your self instead of laying the blame of incorrect data at our feet. we have a copy of that censor page if you wish in our defence we will forward it to you.

we do not know who you are or what station you hold but that is why i wrote that earlier post you are taking this subject to areas we don't want to go, and if no help is available from this board then let that be so.

maybe you can see for yourself that the record keepers in the USofA are no better than the record keepers anywhere else in the world from those years. seems you amybe looking to blame more than looking to help??

len & bev

[aghadowey]

Your first post was looking for information on a person which I later referred to. I did not say that you had made an error with 1870 census but merely your source was suspect. You cannot believe everything you see on the internet. Only trying to give you some information and point out the real names of places, etc. but never worry as I won't bother any more about this post.

[lensgarden]

your preaching to the converted we are well aware information from any online source can be doubtfull, we are not the ones who want to be pedantic about that matter.

so have a good day to you and the group.

len & bev

[bbutcher85]

g'day friends,

seeking information on the following person(s):

Christine Wilhelmine Altmann, Geb. Brauer
Birth: 13 Jan 1832
Origin: Seelibbe/Prenzlau
Departure: 1856
Destination: Amerika (United States

born in Auswanderungsakten Brandenburg.
Emigration Records  about Christine Wilhelmine Altmann, Geb. Brauer Age: 24  Place of Origin: Seelibbe/Prenzlau  Destination: Amerika (United States )  Year: 1856??
1920 United States Federal Census
Name:    Wilhelmine Altmann  Birth:    abt 1844  Arrival:    year  Residence:    1920 - city, Effingham, Illinois.

she was married before departing from germany/prussia and the rest of her family all came to australia. it appears she added the Christine to her name after arrival in the US of A.

tia

len & bev brauer

Hello,
My name is Robert Butcher, living in Colorado, USA. I believe the person you are seeking is my great-great grandmother. I found a several documents  that may prove helpful.

Brandenburg, Prussia Immigration Record
Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Age:   32
Place of Origin:   Seelibbe/Prenzlau
Destination:   Amerika (USA)
Year:   1856
Birth Date:   28 Nov 1824

Germany Lutheran Baptism Record
Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Event Type:   Taufe (Baptism)
Birth Date:   28 Nov 1824
Baptism Date:   12 Dez 1824 (12 Dec 1824)
Baptism Place:   Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Preußen (Germany)
Father:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Mother:   Christina Altmann
City or District:   Schenkenberg
Author:   Evangelische Kirche Baumgarten (Kr. Prenzlau)
Film Number:   72463

Brandenburg Germany Marriage Records
Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Birth Date:   abt 1825
Marriage Date:   10 Nov 1854
Marriage Place:   Gramzow, Brandenburg, Preußen (Germany)
Marriage Age:   29
Event Type:   Trauung (Marriage)
Father Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Spouse Name:   Christine Wilhelmine Brauer
Spouse Marriage Age:   22
Spouse Father:   Christian Brauer
Volume Number:   84
Collection Number:   5

Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Gender:   Male
Religion:   Französisch-Reformierte
Birth Date:   1825

Upon moving to America, it is my understanding they changed their names to Frederick W. Altman and Wilhelmine Bauer.  Two known children of this marriage, Frank Altman, born about 1856 in Germany, married Martha (surname unknown from Ohio, born about 1860) about 1879 in Illinois. A second child, "George" Wilhelm Rudolph Altman (born Johann) born 26 Nov 1858 near Buffalo, NY, died 27 May 1944 in Grangeville, Idaho Co, Idaho, USA. George was a farmer in Idaho for many years and married twice, once to Anna Margaret Kief, Born about 1859, died about 1897 in Illinois. They had 6 children:
Florence Ella Altman, F, 1880-1962 Married Charles Edward Daniels 1872-1938
Frederick Walrod Altman, M, April 1, 1885-1955 Married Edna Pearl Kifett 1892-1970
Herbert J. Altman, M, 1887-1912
Alma Altman, F, 1888-1957 Married Arthur Thomas Phelan 1887-1964
Walter George Altman, M, 1892-1955 Married Grace Naser 1895-1981
Emanuel Henry Altman, M, 1895-1975 Married Katie Albeerta Hitchens 1896-1929

George married Cora Etta Hamner 1879-1956
Cora was born in Logan County, Illinois Aug 12, 1870 and was married previously to Isaac B. Viles or Vilas, and died in Grangeville, Idaho Jan 1, 1956. She was my great-grandmother.
I believe they married in Illinois, and moved to Idaho around 1900. Two children resulted from this marriage:
George B. Altman July 17, 1902, died of epilepsy Mar 17, 1917
Edward Ray Altman, Mar 26, 1904-2001 Married Mabel Georgia Webber (1900-1991) Mar 25, 1923.
One child from this marriage, Katherine Marie Altman 1925-2013
Katherine married Walter Wilson Butcher 1920-2010 who was my father although not biological.
I hope this is helpful. I have also found a Ferdinand

[lensgarden]

Robert butcher

can you help me further tracing altmann back to germany please I have altmann in Australia

thank you

len brauer

[bbutcher85]

The only Altman I have been able to trace to Germany with any certainty is Frederick Altman, AKA Christian Friedrich Altmann as near as I can determine. Here is what I found, mostly on ancestry.com

See Altman family tree managed by altman_ken508831
Two children listed on tree
Joel Altman 1862-1944
Rosa A. Altmann 1866

1870 Census Frederick Altman
Name:   Fred Altman
Age in 1870:   45
Birth Year:   abt 1825
Birthplace:   Prussia
Dwelling Number:   13
Home in 1870:   Avena, Fayette, Illinois
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Post Office:   St Elmo
Occupation:   Farmer
Father of Foreign Birth:   Y
Mother of Foreign Birth:   Y
Male Citizen over 21:   Y
Inferred Spouse:   Wilmena Altman
Inferred Children:   Fred AltmanRudolph AltmanMary AltmanJoseph AltmanAbram AltmanLouisiana Altman
Household Members:   Name   Age
Fred Altman   45
Wilmena Altman   35
Fred Altman   14
Rudolph Altman   12
Mary Altman   9
Joseph Altman   7
Abram Altman   6
Louisiana Altman   2


Brandenburg, Prussia Immigration Record
Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Age:   32
Place of Origin:   Seelibbe/Prenzlau
Destination:   Amerika (USA)
Year:   1856
Birth Date:   28 Nov 1824

Germany Lutheran Baptism Record
Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Event Type:   Taufe (Baptism)
Birth Date:   28 Nov 1824
Baptism Date:   12 Dez 1824 (12 Dec 1824)
Baptism Place:   Prenzlau, Brandenburg, Preußen (Germany)
Father:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Mother:   Christina Altmann
City or District:   Schenkenberg
Author:   Evangelische Kirche Baumgarten (Kr. Prenzlau)
Film Number:   72463

Brandenburg Germany Marriage Records
Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Birth Date:   abt 1825
Marriage Date:   10 Nov 1854
Marriage Place:   Gramzow, Brandenburg, Preußen (Germany)
Marriage Age:   29
Event Type:   Trauung (Marriage)
Father Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Spouse Name:   Christine Wilhelmine Brauer
Spouse Marriage Age:   22
Spouse Father:   Christian Brauer
Volume Number:   84
Collection Number:   5

Name:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Gender:   Male
Religion:   Französisch-Reformierte
Birth Date:   1825
Marriage Date:   10 Nov 1854
Marriage Place:   Gramzow, Gramzow, Angermünde, Brandenburg, Germany
Marriage Age:   29
Father:   Christian Friedrich Altmann
Spouse:   Christine Wilhelmine Brauer
Volume Year Range:   84, 1849-1860
FHL Film Number:   1334996

[lensgarden]

thanks Robert,

looks like no connection in Germany

take care

len