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Ireland - place of birth - 1881 Census.
« on: Saturday 18 December 04 19:39 GMT (UK) »
If anyone has access to the 1881 England Census would they please look up the folowing:
RG11/1472  Folio 56   Page 15
27 New Street, Aylesbury, Bucks
Household comprising:
Alfred Collins, Head, 34, Upholster, b Aylesbury
Ann Collins, Wife, 36, Needlewoman, b??????
plus issue Thomas, Alfred, George

I know Ann (formerly Phelan) came from Ireland but need someone with expertise of Irish places to 'translate' what is noted as being her place of birth.
Any ideas, vague or absolute certainity, wil be really appreciated as I've struggled with this for a long time! Thank you!
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Re: Ireland - place of birth - 1881 Census.
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 December 04 16:16 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, can't help with a translation, but I've posted an image for others to have a go at.
Letley, Kent/Anywhere ... Attempting a One Name Study.
Dunn, Yorkshire/Kent,
Garrett, Kent
Petyt, Yorkshre/Kent
Sheehan, Ireland/Kent
Summersett, Kent
Webb, Kent

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Re: Ireland - place of birth - 1881 Census.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 December 04 16:27 GMT (UK) »
I think the last part of the placename might be a 'worthy' or 'corthy'?
HILL/BURKE/BELCHER/BIGNELL/COX/BLAKE/YELDHAM in London
HOPKINS/HART/MATTHEWS/MUNSON in Devon
FEREDAY in Staffordshire
MUSCUTT/ELSBY/BRIDGENS/BURKE/BELL/ADAMS/RAINBOW in Stoke-on-Trent
BURKE/O’CALLAGHAN/CONNOLLY/FITZPATRICK in Ireland
HOPKINS/DOWDING/TROWBRIDGE in Shaftesbury
YELDHAM/RAVEN/MUNSON/BIGNELL in Essex
BLAKE/CHANDLER in Suffolk


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Re: Ireland - place of birth - 1881 Census.
« Reply #3 on: Monday 20 December 04 17:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I'm hoping it's the middle word as that's what I have been looking at....
Possibly mis-spelling of Enniscoffrey, a civil parish in Westmeath, or Enniscorthy, Catholic parish in Wexford.  I think the first part is Inis but this could be a wrongly spelt Ennis.....  Perhaps if they were Catholic they would quote a Catholic parish rather than a civl parish, or vice versa.  Just a thought
Good luck
Lesley
Gegan, Geoghegan, Gagan, or any variation whatsoever in Ireland (particularly Co Offaly/Kings Co) and Scotland;
Symons and Symon in Angus, Perthshire and Aberdeenshire, Scotland;
McKenna in Ireland and Scotland;
Wilkie in Kincardine and Angus, Scotland

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Re: Ireland - place of birth - 1881 Census.
« Reply #4 on: Monday 20 December 04 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your suggestions - it's certainly turning out to be a conumdrum. I've received various suggestions - no two the same! Realistically, I guess it'll be 'nigh on impossible' to pursue baptismal records from here in England but I'll do what I can to solve this mystery!
Big thanks for your assistance.
Fliss  :)
BATE, CARTER, SIDDORN - Cheshire
PAWSEY - Suffolk & Middx
PICTON & HOWARD - Middx & US
PALMER & FREEMAN - Suffolk & Middx
GURNEY & COLLINS - Bucks & Middlx
MUNT - Herts & Middx
CHARLES - Devon & Middx
GLEED - Northants & Middx
WILSON - Bucks & Middx
SMITH - Lechlade & Lambeth & Surrey
FARRER - Lowestoft & Newington & Surrey
FAIRBRASS - Kent & Surrey
HOUSE & YOUNG - Compton Dando / Burnett, Somerset
YOUNG - Bingley / Bradford, Yks
RAMSDEN - Bradford, Brackley area
ENGLISH - Tynemouth & Wales

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Re: Ireland - place of birth - 1881 Census.
« Reply #5 on: Monday 20 December 04 19:01 GMT (UK) »
Just to say this looks very like INNISCORTHY just outside Dublin

Good Luck

Scatty
Fitzgerald/Mullane/Riordan/Heaphy/Barrett and O'Brien Doneraile and surrounding areas.
McCormack/ Brophy/Egan/Gavin, Tullamore and Dublin


Essex / Middlesex / Kent / Suffolk and wherever next
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Re: Ireland - place of birth - 1881 Census.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 January 05 10:30 GMT (UK) »
Are there other versions of it on other censuses or perhaps for relatives? For the county name?

I thought Inniscarthy too.

Kate
Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.uk

Prior,Blyth,Ellis:Halstead, Ramsey Essex
Blyth,Faeres,Smith:Suffolk
Ballard, Driscoll, Costen,Miller:Kent
Driscoll, Ragan: Cork
Miller: Hardwick
Hardy: Burton, Derby, Ruddington

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Re: Ireland - place of birth - 1881 Census.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 25 January 05 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately, I know nothing of her siblings...have tried looking at censuses for the St Pancras area of London where 'my' Ann Phelan married incase she had brothers / sisters living in the area too. No luck there!

Have tried scouring other censuses of the time to see if I can spot a place written in a similar maner - no joy there!

Other census returns merely state she came from 'Ireland' - this is the only one which gives me a clue to her village / town of birth. Sad then that it's fairly illegible!

Can't say I've not tried! That's why I appreciate input from other people
Fliss  :)
BATE, CARTER, SIDDORN - Cheshire
PAWSEY - Suffolk & Middx
PICTON & HOWARD - Middx & US
PALMER & FREEMAN - Suffolk & Middx
GURNEY & COLLINS - Bucks & Middlx
MUNT - Herts & Middx
CHARLES - Devon & Middx
GLEED - Northants & Middx
WILSON - Bucks & Middx
SMITH - Lechlade & Lambeth & Surrey
FARRER - Lowestoft & Newington & Surrey
FAIRBRASS - Kent & Surrey
HOUSE & YOUNG - Compton Dando / Burnett, Somerset
YOUNG - Bingley / Bradford, Yks
RAMSDEN - Bradford, Brackley area
ENGLISH - Tynemouth & Wales

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Re: Ireland - place of birth - 1881 Census.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 25 January 05 21:20 GMT (UK) »
My vote is for Iniscorthy too. Inis is a common enough name prefix meaning "island", I think.
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