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Offline redred28

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Re: Tinker = Romany??
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 12:23 BST (UK) »
Hiya Ann
Just to add for your own info MOSS is also a well known traveller name that my Winter's married into

thanks for your own info
Red

BESWICK<br />WINTER<br />WILSON<br />BURNSIDE<br />sharpe<br />smith<br />JOYNES ELLIOTT NUTTALL DRURY MOSS SWALES GRAY

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 17:49 BST (UK) »
Ah! Those elusive Winters again ;)

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Re: Tinker = Romany??
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 24 October 07 11:16 BST (UK) »
Hello, Just a note about the origin of the term Gypsy.
In French Gypsies are often called 'les Egyptiens' or female "les Egyptiennes" - example - Esmeralda in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" .

Just because someone was of a travelling occupation, anywhere, does not indicate that people were necessarily Gypsies. Some were, some were not.
 Don't know if this helps, but it is another bit of info.
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Re: Tinker = Romany??
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 18:29 GMT (UK) »
My family surname is Lee. My grandad and his brothers could all speak romany.
But I have gone back to 1810 and not one of my ancestors was listed as traveller or hawker. Though one thing we all have in common is that our holidays have been spent under canvas. My dad couldn't stand to sleep in anyone's  bed that wasn't his own. He and his own father told him they came from gypsy's but I have no proof of this. But how did they know the romany language.

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Re: Tinker = Romany??
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 01 November 07 04:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi hollow,
I have 'Lee' in the family side - be they travellers or gypsies.    If you could let me have a few names and the area of the country  it might help to swap some info.
Also the Burnsides - there's still a big family of them up in the north.
whpool
Atkinson/Campbell - Sunderland area
Davison - Hartlepool [old side]
Ward - Ireland, Whitby, West Hartlepool
Ross - Bishop Auckland
Rogers - Stirling, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall
Hocking - Cornwall
Pattison - Scotland, north England, [travellers]
Welsh - Ireland, Co Durham [travellers]

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Re: Tinker = Romany??
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 01 November 07 14:43 GMT (UK) »
The earliest I have got back to is 1810 when JOHN LEE was born in Calow
Derbyshire. His parents were WILLIAM LEE and mother MARTHA. I have not found any marriage for them in the same area.There is a marriage in Eastwood Nottinghamshire for a WILLIAM LEE and MARTHA WYSELL. He had a brother called WILLIAM born 1815 at Calow. John is then found in 1835 marrying NANCY DAVY in Rotherham. They were then in Sheffield in the 1841 census. Their children were all born in Sheffield and families that came after were also in Sheffield.JOHN'S occupation on the 1841 census says turnipman. The area they were living had farms.He then went into the steel works. I remember my dad telling me that his parents took him to see his grandparents and they were in Sheffield but living in a caravan. The area was known for gypsies staying there. But I found them having a house in the census. It is so confusing but a aunt and uncle on my dad's mum side also told me that the Lee's came from gypsies.

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Re: Tinker = Romany??
« Reply #15 on: Friday 02 November 07 19:58 GMT (UK) »
Now Lee is a very well known Romany name. The Lee family is huge - and two books were written about them .....
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You might like to check these photos for any family similarities:

http://sca.lib.liv.ac.uk/collections/gypsy/photoind.htm#Appleby

Scroll down to find photos of Lees and Coopers
Ithal Lee, Julia Lee, and Oliver Lee.

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 02 November 07 20:00 GMT (UK) »
Oh I should have given you the names of the books -

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Best of Luck with your searching!

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Re: Tinker = Romany??
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 10 November 07 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Thank you for your help. Will try to see if I can get those books from our local library or if they can obtain it for me.