When was this card written 1891 or 1901?

[redmr2red]

Tried a little clean up.

[ludovica]

Nice job!

[joboy]

Yes it is a very nice job Red ......... I am extremely pleased with what you have done with the messy photo that you had to work on.
Joe

[trish251]

Hi Joboy

Based on previous discussion and perhaps the picture, I'm of the impression she is married - the comment on the card "love from all of us" would indicate this as well - or else she is living with her parents - but I would think Bell might be her married name - so perhaps she is an inlaw?

Trish

[joboy]

I wish that I could answer the questions that you pose Trish.
If she is married then I think she would have been quite young as the photo (I think) depicts a girl either in her late teens or early 20's.
If she was an 'inlaw' whom did she marry? .......... to the best of my knowledge the uncle to whom she wrote had only been in OZ since about (my guess) the mid to late 1870's ... cant be precise as he was a seafarer ... I do know that he married in Sydney 1883 at which time he was 35 (born 1848) and a ship's engineer.
He (her uncle) had three brothers James (1838) John (1840) & Henry (1843)
John is married by 1871 census and has a daughter and in 1881 he has four daughters (no Ethel but there is an Ellen aged 7).
Henry and James do not appear in the 1861 and 1871 and James is a Chelsea Pensioner in 1881 (no Henry) censuses so maybe one or both came to OZ and may have preceded brother Charles? raising (or bringing) their own families?.
There is one 'fly in the ointment' and that is ... in 1871 census a 'grandson' Charles aged 9 appears living with his grandparents (parents of James;John;Henry and Charles) and there are two 'unmarried' daughters aged 27 and 20 .. I suspect the older one to be his mother.
I think I have 'nailed' him in 1881 aged 19 a lodger.
I have found one only Ethel E who may be a likely candidate in 1881;
...............................................................................
Mary BELL   M   38    F   Dover, Kent, England
   Rel:   Wife (Head)
   Occ:   Wife Of Senior Chaplain Serving In India

Ethel Edith BELL   U   13    F   Feregepore, India
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
.............................................................................
there are more in the family but at the moment I am trying to find out who Mary's husband (the Senior Chaplain) was.
Sorry to bore you with all this ........... but you know how it is with us types(grin),
Joe

[redmr2red]

The stamp on your Post Card is a Victorian one penny "State" stamp.  It is stuck on the post card up-side-down.  I have four of these stamps in my collection dated 1906, 1907, 1908 & 1910.

So I assume that your post card would have been posted around that time.

Cheers, Red

[trish251]

Hi Joboy

You will know the family well by the time you identify the lass    To me she looks older than you say - but I am not known for my correct estimation of age.

As mentioned by Red & also originally be Ludovica - the stamp (which I also checked in a Stanley Gibbons catalogue is worth about 20 cents (in mint condition) and was used from Feb 1901 until 1911. It may have been hoarded, so in theory could be later than 1911 but definitely not before 1901.

If you posted the photo on the photo board - (or referenced this thread over there) a couple of folks are very good at estimating a year from the clothes and also determining age.

Any chance of finding a death - to find parents - or have you already been down that path?

Trish

[joboy]

Trish,Red and Ludovica,
I feel as if I am getting somewhere ........ at age 80 I am no longer able to judge the age of young ladies!! ... that is an art that no longer matters!!
I am starting to lean more now on the possibility that she may well have been a daughter of  the Senior Chaplain serving in India in 1881 at age 13 which means that in 1901 she would have been 33 ........... do you think that the girl in the photo is that age? ......... as I said earlier I cant judge anymore.
I really need to know now the first name of that Senior Chaplain and where he was born.
Old Joe ..... who has lost the art!!

[tropicalj]

Hello  there Joboy

ther is a  marriage  in  1914  for ETHEL  EMILY BELL  married JOHN GARSIDE  IN  1914  reg  no  3202.
I  don't know whether  it is  you girl  or  not.  She  of  cousre may  have allready  been  Mrs. Ethel E Bell
I  cannot follow thru  with  deaths  as  by  death CD  is  playing  up  damn and bugger

kind regards Jenn