Help with Hale\Cooper Branch Problem

[mytree]

I have:

Rhoda Annie HALE born 1905 Pontefract, daughter of William HALE and Martha Elizabeth COOPER who married 1899  Pontefract. Rhoda had sisters, Ellen Alice and Edith, this is definite. I believe there to have been 2 other children who sadly died in infancy, possibly called Grace and Lily?
Father of William, John HALE - Coal Miner, deceased at time of William Marriage
Father of Martha, Joseph COOPER - Farm Labourer
From 1901 census RG/13 4296 cannot make out professions of William or Martha.Uncertain about birth places for:
William born looks like Coleford Gloucester? Is this Wales?
Martha born looks like Workingham? Where is this? Geography not my strong point! Trying to trace back for both William and Martha families - any help to point me in the right direction would be appreciated.
Thanks
Mytree

[toni*]

Hi no Gloucestershire is not in Wales, it is in England but borders Wales.

How old were William & Martha when they married?

 

 

[Tati]

Hi Mytree,

Just to start you off, in 1901 the occupations are:

William - Hewer
Martha - Coal Miner Hewer

(Which is probably a mistake - what a messy enumerator!!)

Agree on William's birthplace - Gloucestershire being in England.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Coleford/index.html
Maybe Martha's should be Wokingham? (I agree it doesn't really look like it!)

 

[Tati]

Good bet for Martha in 1881 - living in Wokingham 
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=359292
RG11/1310 91 2
(shout if you can't open the link)

and possibly William, though his age is a little out:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=6184218
RG11/2522 129 47

[lizdb]

From FreeBMD

There are births for a Grace Edith (Jun 1902) and a Lily (Dec 1900 and MAr 1905) in Pontefract

But no infant deaths for either of these.

There are plenty of Hale births in Pontefract, and plenty of infant deaths
Just enter 'HAle' and 'Pontefract' and dates something like 1910 +/- 10 years to see them all around this time.

I did see birth for Edith Alice, Oct/Nov/Dec 1911, mothers maiden name Cooper - so much easier from 1911 onwards when mums maiden name is given!

[mytree]

William Hale 33 Martha Elizabeth Cooper 31 at time of marriage.William Coal Miner and i think Martha Elizabeth is Captain in Salvation Army. Any idea who to contact for info on Salvation Army please?

Thanks to all for all help provided.

Mytree

[toni*]

if William was 33 in 1899 then he would have been born circa 1866

i think this could be him in 1881

RG11 5225 20 6
Winnals  Hill Lane End

William Hale age 15 Head Coal Miner

he is the sole person in the house and being aged 15 makes his birth year 1866,

[mytree]

Help i am getting all confused looking for later census's refers to coleford monmouth being wales?

If i have this correct it would appear that John (william father) married twice, first to a Sarah then assume Sarah passed away - not being able to locate death, and John remarried an Emma. When trying to find info for Emma came across this, which gives Emma being born in West Dean, Gloucestershire, England but residing in West Dean, Coleford St John Monmouthshire  Wales.
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4922; Folio: 45; Page: 20. 1901 Wales

Probably just me going wrong somewhere!

[Tati]

Later census? 

Did you open the link to Coleford that I posted earlier?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Coleford/index.html

It's near Wales but still England - can't find a Coleford Monmouthshire anywhere? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleford%2C_Gloucestershire
Anyway it does say Gloucestershire on the census!