Percy Andrew Rutt born England 1897/98

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I wonder whether anyone has Percy Andrew Rutt on their family tree or can help with this query.

The last positive record we have of Percy Rutt is in the 1901 census in England. He is living at Wexcombe in Wiltshire with his Grandmother Amelia Rutt. He was the son of Ellen Rutt a single woman. Ellen had previously had a daughter Edith Ellen Rutt in 1893. She was brought up by the Cook family and known as Beatrice Cook. Amelia Rutt died in 1902, but what became of Percy. We have looked through all the marriage and death records in England and have not found any record of Percy.

From the BHC Society web site a Percival Andrew Rutt born in 1898 came to Canada in 1907, was this 'our' Percy. There are mentions of 2 Percy Rutts in the Canadian records on Ancestry.com. 1911 census of Ontario, Percy Rutt b Oct 1897 nephew of Sandford Bicum. Canadian Soldiers of WW1 Percy Andrew Rutt b 5 Oct 1898, son of Nellie Rutt.

Any help would be really appreciated. It is possible that Percy was adopted in England unofficially and given a new name, but exploring all possibilities.
Many thanks
Heather.

[lizdb]

Here is his birth:

Oct/Nov/Dec 1897
Percy Andrew Rutt

Hungerford reg distr
ref 2c 264

If you know for sure that 'your' Percy was called Percy Andrew, was born at this time, was son of Ellen Rutt, disappears after1901

AND

you have reference in Canada to a Percy Andrew Rutt born )ct 1897 (see above birth) , son of Nellie Rutt (can be a variation on Ellen) , then it looks vey likely this is the same chap.

Looks like after granny died in 1902 when he was 14 he must have lived with some other friend or relative, and then emigrated in 1907.
Seems unlikely therefore that he was adopted or changed his name.

[bicker]

Hi Lizdb

The BHC web site is on http://members.shaw.ca/persnow/ is The British Home Childrens Homes Society, a site that gives names of children who were sent from 50 different childrens homes or societies to Canada. Percy was only 4 or 5 when his Gran died so he may have been put into a childrens homes or adopted. He would have been 10 if he was the Percival that the BHC sent to Canada.

[lizdb]

Sorry - got my Maths a bit wrong!!!

But I still think it unlikely he was adopted or changed his name in England - as the Percy arriving in Canada fits so well, I would say that is him for sure.

As he was only 10 then he must have been cared for in some way in Canada - I understand that many children were shipped over in this way from children's homes.

perhaps this is where Sandford Bicum (what a name!) comes in, seemingly his uncle.

[J.J.]

The 1911 census Harwich, Ontario image says he came over in 1905...
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test16.jsp?id=88121

However, if he was a boy of 10 at the time he arrived, and given the stress
involved with the mess of being a BHC ....adults are often 2 years off as well...And the Nellie/Ellen does look good...Hopefully we can find more proof, but the real kicker may just be to get that birth cert to be sure of the actual birth date....
The fact of there being only one Percy Rutt and his middle name Andrew,
I agree that it looks most likely to be the one...also the word nephew is not written with any great confidence or has been partially erased...
I wonder if sister-in-law Fanny Rawdon has more-or-less adopted him as her own....( but is now widowed, so didn't get the name change?)and that's why they called him nephew, but then thought better of it?
J.J.

[J.J.]

The attestation papers, though show this Percy as being from Ireland, and that the mother is alive and living in Toronto?
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc015/620841a.gif

But then again...the only Percy, and he just happens to have Andrew as a middle name...was he perhaps giving them the gears?

[J.J.]

he was one of Dr. Barnardo's Party of boys...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/ssdominionsep1907.html

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/home-children/index-e.html
Percy Andrew Rutt - Age 9 - 1907
Ship- Dominion
Departure Port: Liverpool  12 September
Quebec Arrival  September 22 
Party- Dr Barnardo’s Destination-Toronto

Other comments
See also C-4716 and T-528Source/ LAC Ref: RG76 C 1 a Microfilm: T-492

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Thank you so much for the messages and web sites, it is much appreciated. I will try and see whether Dr Barnardo's can help with the query at all. A relation does have a copy of Percy's birth certificate, but we can not link Ellen to the family she is with in Canada, unless they were family of Percy's father, who was not listed on his birth certificate.

Regards Heather

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Hi there

Dr Barnardos have replied and the Percy below is the same Percy I am looking for. He was alive and living at Markdale, Ontario in 1923. Are there any web sites showing marriages or deaths for Ontario?

Many thanks for all the helpful information.
Heather