1841 lookup please/East Grinstead

[ibbotson]

Looking for a William Simpson and a Elizabeth Chapman within the East Grinstead area. They were both shown as father & mother on a birth certificate for George Henry Chapman b East Grinstead 1845. No maiden name was given for Elizabeth Chapman so it's possible she was not married at time of birth, therefore George Henry was not given his fathers name. By 1851 George Henry was in the work house.

Regards
David

[Necromancer]

cant see a likely Simpson in that area of Sussex, but theres 2 or 3 Elizabeth Chapmans - any clues as to age ?

[zowster]

The most likely Elizabeth chapman for you is born in 1824 in East Grinstead, father Henry age 50, Mother sarah age 54, sister Sarah age 20, brother John age 15, brother charles age 13 and sister Eliza age 9. i don't think the other would fit for you. Definitley can't find william in that area and there is no record of a marrisge at all.

                                sharon
                             

[Necromancer]

East Grinstead Regn District - as seen on a Birth Cert - covers a wider area than the place itself, hence there are candidate Chapmans around the area ......

[kerryb]

Newf is quite right.  I had problems finding an East Grinstead family, don't forget it crosses the border into Surrey!

Kerry

[julianb]

Newf is quite right. I had problems finding an East Grinstead family, don't forget it crosses the border into Surrey!

Kerry

And we discussed those issues here!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,251760.0.html

[ibbotson]

Hi All

Thank you for your help. I can confirm relating to the postings that the workhouse that George Henry & his brother William was Lingfield Workhouse. Was there any married Elizabeth Chapman's within the area that may have fitted. The reason for this is that George Henry's marriage certificate of 1870 gave his father as George Henry Chapman (senior) Lieutenant 90th Infantry. So it is possible she was already married to GHC senior.

Regards
David

[forester]

Hello David,

Do you know that George and William are brothers? I can find George on the IGI, but although I think I have found William on Free BMD (Dec 1842 East Grinstead 7 305), I can't find him on the IGI. This could mean that he was baptised at Lingfield, rather than East Grinstead.

If the Elizabeth that Sharon found is George's mother, then in 1851 she is probably the one in East Grintead Workhouse, still unmarried and with Charles E Chapman, 8 months. (HO107-1641, Folio 232, page 51).

Her baptism, from the East Grinstead PRs: 23rd Nov 1823, d/o Henry and Mary Chapman, abode East Grinstead, father's occ. Labourer.

From the SMI, her parents possible marriage:
Heathfield, 15 Jan 1810
Henry Chapman (East Grinstead)
Mary Bottooth (this could be a mis-transcription of Bott Tooth, I suppose)
By Banns

The 90th Infantry is the 90th Light Infantry (Perthshire Volunteers). They appear to have been posted abroad 1835-46, but no doubt retained some presence at home.

The best contender I can find for William Simpson in 1841, is a Railway labourer, age 25, living in a hut in Crowhurst Lane, Godstone. This is not far away and East Grinstead would be the nearest town. Godstone station opened in 1842, so probably moved on. Simpson is not a local name.
HO 107/1077/9. Enumeration Distict 13. Folio 7. Page 8.

Regards,
Phil

[ibbotson]

Hi Phil

Yes I assumed George & William were brothers. The Elizabeth in the workhouse looks extremely promising...Was it the same Lingfield workhouse as George & William's?.

I will apply for Williams birth certificate with cross reference for Elizabeth Chapman as mother.

Many thanks for the help.

Regards
David