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Where do I start?
« on: Wednesday 24 October 07 22:20 BST (UK) »
Hi

I'm looking for 2 brothers of my grt gran..
David Mitchell b: abt 1850
Samuel Thomas b: abt 1857

Older members of the family say they moved abroad Australia or America...

Their fathers sister moved to Australia in 1870 with her family, so maybe they went there...
I know my nan used to write to someone in Australia, she carried this on after her mother had died, so perhaps it was one of  her uncles she wrote to?

I have no idea as to where they may have gone, if they went at all.....

There was no sign of David on the 1871 census and Samuel Thomas on the 1881 census...

Did Samuel follow David?

Did David go with his Aunt in 1870?

His Aunt was Constance Murley (this was her married name) she went on the Cospatrick in 1870 along with her daughter.....

Can anyone help or point me in the right direction?

Thanks for looking

Cissy
Shard..Widnes/Radcliffe inLancashire & Doncaster Area
Wrigley...Radcliffe & Bury Area
Mitchell ...Gwinear Cornwall/Radcliffe Lancashire/Stockport Cheshire
Allen....Radcliffe Lancashire
Ashworth... Bury & Radcliffe Lancashire
Goodier....Stockport Cheshire

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Re: Where do I start?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 October 07 22:29 BST (UK) »
Hello  there Cissy


Can  you  please tell  us  their parents  names,and where  they were born, as  that will  help  with the search

kind regards Jenn
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Re: Where do I start?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 October 07 22:32 BST (UK) »
Hi

Their parents never left England...
The father John Mitchell died 1879 in Lancashire & their mother Frances died in 1901 Lancashire...both in Radcliffe, but registered in Bury...

There may also be Arthur Mitchell abt 1862/3 who also went off the census...again can't find anything on him

Thanks for your time

cissy
Shard..Widnes/Radcliffe inLancashire & Doncaster Area
Wrigley...Radcliffe & Bury Area
Mitchell ...Gwinear Cornwall/Radcliffe Lancashire/Stockport Cheshire
Allen....Radcliffe Lancashire
Ashworth... Bury & Radcliffe Lancashire
Goodier....Stockport Cheshire


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Re: Where do I start?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 October 07 23:44 BST (UK) »
Hello  there Cissy


I  am a  little confused  here  what  is  the brothers surname  please

kind regards Jenn
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TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 October 07 02:09 BST (UK) »
Hello Cissy,

There are plenty of people on RootsChat ready and willing to search for your people in Australia but you really do need to tell us ALL you know.

First you need to make the surname clear - you refer to two brothers called David Mitchell and Samuel Thomas.  As Jenn asks - what was their surname!  Or were they half-brothers with different surnames (one MITCHELL and one THOMAS)?  And you need to give us more information.  I can tell you that looking for (say) a David MITCHELL b ca 1850 somewhere in Australia without any further information would be like searching for a needle in a haystack  :)

Also you say that an aunt of the brothers, Constance MURLEY, went with her daughter to Australia in 1870 on a ship called the 'Cospatrick' - but you don't say where in Australia this ship landed!

Now I can search for some of the information myself - but that really is silly when you already have more information.

But I did search (online, shipping lists, Public Record Office of Victoria http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp ) and found that Constance MURLEY, age 60, went to Victoria as an unassisted passenger on the 'Cospatrick' which arrived March 1871 - did you already know her age and destination?
There is also a Jane MURLEY age 24 on the ship.
There is no passenger with surname MI*CHELL.
There is a 19yo Joseph THOMAS on the ship.

A search for Constance MURLEY on the relevant Victorian BDM CD reveals that a Constance MURLEY, age 63, died in Victoria in 1871 - this might be your Constance but we need to know the names of her parents and her birthplace.

The reason for asking for the names of parents is because some of the Australian BDM death indexes record birthplace and/or the names of the parents and/or include the maiden surname of the mother of the deceased.

Give us more information and we will do our best.

Regards,

JAP
PS: Some possibly relevant Victorian records are as follows (note that the index does not capitalize the surname of the father but does capitalize the maiden surname of the mother; it also abbreviates place names but there is no standard list of abbreviations).
*MURLEY Constance, age 63, born CORN, died 1871 Reg.No. 10690, father Mitchell Thoma, mother Constance CONSTANCE
*MURLEY Jane, age 25, born CORN, died 1872 #3134, father Edward, mother Constance MITCHELL
*MURLEY John, age 42, born GWIN, died 1875 #15322, father Edward, mother Constance MITCHELL
A possible passenger record for John might be the following:
John MURLEY, age 19, on the 'Birmingham' which arrived Jan 1854.

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Re: Where do I start?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 October 07 10:39 BST (UK) »
Hi

Sorry for the confusion....I had just finished work and really needed to go to bed....

The surname of the brothers is MITCHELL

Parents to both lads were John Mitchell 1821 and Frances Floyd 1828 all born Gwinear Cornwall..

I don't really have much info on them...

Others who have these people in their tree say they went to Australia on the Cospatrick in 1870..
Some have mentioned that Edward Murley, Constance Mitchell's husband came back to England others say he died before she went....

But when I ask questions not all get back...not too sure as to why

I'm having a quiet spell on the others in my tree, so thought I'd go further back..

Thanks for your help

Cissy
Shard..Widnes/Radcliffe inLancashire & Doncaster Area
Wrigley...Radcliffe & Bury Area
Mitchell ...Gwinear Cornwall/Radcliffe Lancashire/Stockport Cheshire
Allen....Radcliffe Lancashire
Ashworth... Bury & Radcliffe Lancashire
Goodier....Stockport Cheshire

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Re: Where do I start?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 October 07 08:59 BST (UK) »
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

Type in the name Jane Murley death place Australia.

You will see information that may further your search, including some on Edward.

The submitted info on the site is not always reliable and it is often very apparent that certificates have not been sighted and assumptions have been made.

Sue
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 October 07 09:02 BST (UK) »
Hi

Thanks for that will have a look to see what I can find

Cissy
Shard..Widnes/Radcliffe inLancashire & Doncaster Area
Wrigley...Radcliffe & Bury Area
Mitchell ...Gwinear Cornwall/Radcliffe Lancashire/Stockport Cheshire
Allen....Radcliffe Lancashire
Ashworth... Bury & Radcliffe Lancashire
Goodier....Stockport Cheshire

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 October 07 09:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue, Good find and good thinking (WorldConnect and Ancestral File).  I often forget to look there ...

Jane's death (or, at least, the death of a Jane MURLEY) from the Vic BMD is in the PS to my earlier post - let's hope more can be found.

Good luck Cissy - and don't forget that we are all champing at the bit to help  :)

Regards,

JAP