Harry KIMBERLEY - help please

[toni*]

i just checked the full index for Harry Kimberley deaths 1901-1916 in the right age frame but no matches.

there were 2 Harry Horsfall detah which may have matched yours but worng area:~
HORSFALL Harry  41  Hendon.3a  123  Q2  1904 
HORSFALL Harry  35  Halifax.9a  230  Q3  1908 

i know age is incorrect but age is what the informant beleived the deceased to be.

[susanjoy]

Just to help you with process of elimination from the marriages   - although you might have it all sorted by now.   

"Your" Harry Kimberley is NOT Harry Sidney Kimberley  as he was born 1872 to Thomas & Harriet Kimberley.   He married Florence Beadles in 1905.

[oldwell]

Thanks Susan

It's always helpful to be able to definitely eliminate someone.  However, I have gathered more evidence that he may have actually changed his name to KIMBERLEY when he married/started to live with his wife Jane.  The birth cert of the Harry KIMBERLEY (born 1887) who I believe to be their eldest son shows the mother to be Jane KIMBERLEY, domestic servant, and no father's name given.

Does anyone know of a precedent for such a change of name?  Perhaps he wanted to hide his true identity.

Peter

[Valda]

Deaths Sep 1907   
Sands  Harry Horsfall  44  King's N.  6c 195

(Not to be confused with the Harry Horsfall Sands who marries in Chorlton Lancashire - he is a younger man on the 1901 census in Lancashire and born in America)

1881 census RG11 2940 folio 9
Dale Cross Cottage Bromsgrove Worcestershire
Joseph W. Sands 45 Head Married Coal Merchant Nuneaton Warwickshire
Harry H. Sands 16 Son Birmingham Warwickshire 
Herbert J. Sands 15 Son Harborne Staffordshire
Ernest J. Sands 11 Son Birmingham Warwickshire
Arthur L. Sands 8 Son Birmingham Warwickshire
Margaret E. Sands 5 Daughter  Bromsgrove Worcestershire
Jane Kimberley 20 Unmarried  Domestic Servant

1891 census RG12 2361 folio 73
Arkendall? Road Harborne
Joseph W Sands 55 Head Married Coal Merchant Nuneaton Warwickshire
Anne H Sands 53 Wife Married Birmingham Warwickshire
Harry H Sands 26 Son Artist painter Birmingham Warwickshire
Herbert J Sands 25 Son Coal Merchant's clerk Harborne Staffordshire
Marion P Sands 23  Daughter Clerk in manufacturer's office Birmingham Warwickshire
Katherine A Sands 20 Daughter Governess Birmingham Warwickshire
Esther M Sands 15 Daughter Blackwell Bromsgrove Worcestershire
Arthur E Sands 18 Son Jeweller Birmingham Warwickshire
Ann Wright 29 Cook Domestic Servant Ledbury Worcestershire

1901 census Harry Kimberley was a house painter and decorator.

Williams would appear to be an alias Jane used.

Births Sep 1864   
SANDS  Harry Horsfall     Birmingham  6d 33

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

1891 census RG12 2356 folio 137
Dawlish Road Northfield Worcestershire
Katherine Kimberely 71 Head Widow Living on own means Bromsgrove Worcestershire
Jane Kimberley 29 Daughter Single Charwoman Bromsgrove Worcestershire

Harry 'Kimberley' and family were living in Northfield on the 1901 census and I believe from another post that Ernest Kimberley was born in Dawlish Road in 1893.

No sign of Harry junior but he could have been in the household and left off the return by intention or mistake. I cannot find a birth registration for Edward to be sure of his precise birthdate - born before the 1891 census or afterwards?

Did all the sons continue on in the surname Kimberley?

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Then again there is this birth registration as a possibility

Births Jun 1891 
Horsefall  Edward     Kings N.  6c 467

Census night 1891 was 5th April, right at the beginning of the June registration quarter.

Regards

Valda

[oldwell]

Hi  Valda

Thanks for a brilliant bit of sleuthing.  All the facts clearly fit together.  I had already identified Katherine KIMBERLEY in the 1871 census as the likely mother of Jane.  It appears that Jane came from a "dysfunctional" family as both her mother, Katherine and her older sister, Elizabeth seem to have been unmarried mothers!

Interestingly my wife has an unidentified oil painting of a Victorian female relative.  It now seems highly likely that this is a painting of Jane by Harry.

What a web of deceit they wove.  Your assistance has been quite invaluable

Peter

[Valda]

Just to confirm the Sands censuses that Harry's full name was Harry Horsfall Sands

1871 census RG10 3095 folio 62
237 Icknield Street West Birmingham
Joseph Watkin Sands 35 Head Married Nuneaton Warwickshire
Anne Hephribah Sands 33 Wife Married Handsworth Staffordshire
Louise Anne Sands 8 Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire
Harry Horsfall Sands 6 Son  Birmingham Warwickshire
Herbert Joseph Sands 5 Son Harborne Staffordshire
Marion Parker Sands 3 Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire
Ernest John Sands 1 Son Birmingham Warwickshire
Catherine Alice Sands 5 months Daughter  Birmingham Warwickshire
Alice Pheobe Parker 18 Unmarried Wife's sister Birmingham Warwickshire
Jane Ann Sands 19  Unmarried Niece Nuneaton Warwickshire

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Harry Horsfall Sands' father's name was actually Joseph Walker Sands not Watkins as written on the 1871 census.

Marriages Jun 1859 
Parker  Ann Elizabeth     Scarborough  9d 447   
Parker  Ann Hephzibah     Scarbro  9d 447   
Sands  Joseph Walker     Scarbro  9d 447

Deaths Mar 1904
Sands  Joseph Walker  67  King's N  6c 271

It might well be worth checking to see whether Joseph left a will and if it mentioned his son Harry (if only to disinherit him)!

Deaths Sep 1899   
Sands  Ann Hephzibah  62  Kings Norton  6c 237

Regards

Valda