Marriage record Abenbury Fawr area

[lidgett]

Wilcoxon
Just re-read the posts, Elizabeth was born circa 1780 if she was 86 when she died in 1866 or 1786 according to the census, your entry was probably just a typo but I thought I ought to make it clear.
Cheers
Lidgett

[wilcoxon]

1851
Elizabeth Taylor, 66
May Taylor, 30 
James Taylor, 24
William Taylor, 15   
John Taylor, 12 
Margaret Taylor, 6 
Martha Taylor, 6 

In St Giles PRs I found.
1806 Dec 31 marriage of James Taylor ba a tailor and Elizabeth Evans sps.
both otp. Banns.
Wittnesses were Martha Taylor and Thos Wainwright.

Baptisms . All children of James and Elizabeth Taylor, Tailor. Abenbury Fawr.
1807 Oct 7. Sarah.
1810 born Jan 18 bapt Apr 29 . Elizabeth.
1813 Jan 7 William
1816 Feb 3 Mary
1819 Jan 27 John
1822 May 12 Robert
1828 Mar 29 George
1836 Oct 16 Anna Maria.

Elizabeth must have been quite a woman to have children over 30 years  I bet Anna Maria was quite a surprise 

I went as far as 1846 but none of the other children in the 1851 census were there.   So who were their parents 
Where did the rest of James children go, and where did the ones in 1851 come from 
At least you know now Elizabeth was an Evans,

There were a few more baptisms I took note of, if you want I`ll send them privately , they may fit in somwhere.

I really didn`t mind doing this, I have Taylors in Coedpoeth and found some of them while looking, so it wasn`t a chore.



 

 

 

[lidgett]

Hello again
Well, I wasn't expecting all that, brilliant.  And thank you very much.  The others you have well yes I would love to see as they might fit in somewhere.  I am really glad to see Maria at last!  She was baptised on my birthday - well I'm not really that old but you know what I mean!  So I now know that my other contact and I are really related, I was thinking that maybe we weren't as the difference between the first and last was so great.  Yet I know that Maria herself had 10 children who survived to adulthood over 22 years, and her daughter Elizabeth my Gt Grandma worked in her village as an informal midwife to all the mothers there who couldn't afford the doctor.  Obvioulsy she had a lot of practical experience.  Well off to spread the good news.
Thanks again
Lidgett

[wilcoxon]

Elizabeth in 1851 was indeed living in her own home.

In the tithe map for Abenbury Fawr dated 1838 the Plan No 249 is entered as Landowner - James Taylor, Occupiers, Himself.
Name and description of Land and Premises , Cottage and Garden.
State of cultivation, Garden.
Quantities in Statute Measure. A -, R 3, P 3,

R - Rood, is a 1/4 of an acre, 1210 sq yards.
P - Pole, is 30 1/4 sq yards.

 James did have his own place then after all.

 If I have worked that out correctly , it seems that it was just under an  acre.
 Open to any corrections. 

[wilcoxon]

 I`ve been looking for the baptism of James.
Gresford - nothing
Marchiwel - nothing
Holt - nothing
Isycoed - nothing
Wrexham - 1790 Nov 30, born 6th.
James Taylor son of Edward and Margaret, abode Ye Pidgeon.
When James married Elizabeth it was in Wrexham  Dec 31 1806 and he was OTP. Could this be him, and was he only 16 ??

WE KNOW NOW THIS IS NOT OUR JAMES ,

[lidgett]

Hello again
yes I guess it could be, since I now know, thanks to you, that he was alive in 1843 I have looked for likely deaths, it narrows it down to only 2 so I was going to send for a death cert I think I shall have to ask the local reg office as opposed to the gro and hope Elizabeth reg the death to sort them out.  The local office is/has been quite helpful in the past.  That will hopefully help sort it out. 
Thanks
Lidgett

[wilcoxon]

 The  tithe map was dated 1838, not 1843 as I first thought , so that opens it up a bit, but at least there will be a record.

Also found in Pigots 1828/9 directory .
 Margaret Taylor, Three Pigeons, Hope St Wrexham.

PIGOT & CO. DIRECTORY 2. Midland 1835 North Wales section
TAYLOR, Margaret, THREE PIGEONS, Hope st (taverns and public houses)

 Looks like Edward has died.

From WCBC site, the Town Walk comes this =

Hope Street
Walk along Hope Street. The Welsh name Stryd yr Hôb dates from the origins of the town when it was the road leading out to Hope. Pass by the building site that was WHSmiths. In 1699 the Three Pigeons Hotel was built on this site and in the 1840s it became the Lion Hotel. When a Russian cannon captured in the Crimean War was brought to Wrexham in 1857, the celebrations were held at the Lion. It seems it was a popular drinking den for the town's many soldiers. Another unlikely visitor was Guiseppe Garibaldi, the Italian Revolutionary, who had friends at Marchwiel Hall.

Also there are deeds at Denbs Records Office for the Three Pigeons dated 1770
and 1863.

WE KNOW NOW THESE ARE NOT JAMES PARENTS, BUT STILL A BIT OF GOOD LOCAL KNOWLEDGE

[lidgett]

Hello
I just noticed my email isn't working now!  I checked back here on the off chance and found your new message.  I think things are really falling apart pc wise, but they seem to be coming together fh wise.  Even with the amended date it still only leaves the 2 James deaths so I shall send for the cert as soon as I can get to the post office!
Thanks again
L

[wilcoxon]

We now know James died on June 1 1849 aged 75 years and twelve days.
Wrexham PRs
1774 June 4 baptism of James Taylor s/o William ( occ  taylor ) Abenbury Fawr.
James was born on May 13 th and presumably his father William was also a tailor.
There is no entry of the mothers name 
 I found a marriage by licence of William Taylor and Sarah Pulford , b and sp otp in 1762 ( forgot to record date ) this is the only one for a William.
Also more baptisms with a William as the father.
1767 Mar 18 (b Feb 14 ) William s/o William ( Mr) yeoman. Abenbury.
1768 July 1 ( b Apr 30) Elizabeth d/o William ( Mr) Coedaben.
1770 Feb 3 (b Dec 30) Susanna d/o William (Mr) Coedaben.

 So - are William and Sarah the parents of James, and are the other children his siblings. Yeoman usually means that the person was  a landowner , also the title gent ,  could James have inherited it from William., James  was a landowner in 1838 ( tithe map)

WE NOW KNOW THIS WILLIAM AND SARAH ARE NOT THE CORRECT PARENTS, BUT SEEM TO BE RELATED SOMETIME FURTHER BACK .