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« Reply #18 on: Saturday 01 December 07 14:10 GMT (UK) »
Hello

Where was the Mary daughter of William then 1861?
Must have another look for her.

regards Pam
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« Reply #19 on: Saturday 01 December 07 15:09 GMT (UK) »

Wonder where Mary  Campbell was 1861 she is 21 on the 1871 census


1851

Parish Number 72 ED 2 Page 1
Kintail
Ross and Cromarty
address Malm

William Campbell age 36 Shepherd born Tongue Sutherlandshire
Elisabeth wife age 28 Roberton Roxburghshire
William son age 7 Lochbroom
Robert son age 4 Lochbroom
Mary Ann dau age 2 kintail
Margaret MacLennan visitor age 35 born Glenshiel rosshire
Mary Mathison servant age 21 Lochalsh


1891  Wonder if this Jessie Campbell was a relative not a daughter on the 1881 census to William and Elizabeth?
Could this be the same Jessie?? age a bit out!!


Registration number 74 ED 10 page 1



Lochalsh
Ross and Cromarty
Address Bendronaig

Robert Campbell age 43 Deerstalker born Kintail
Jessie Campbell wife age 27 Kintail
Mary M Campbell dau age 2 Kilmorack invernesshire
William M Campbell son age 6 months Lochmalsh
Catherine MacRae age 15 general servant NK Invernesshire


1901

Registration number 72 ED 2 page 2
Kintail
Killilan
Ross and Cromarty

Address Fadock House
Rober Campbell age 53 born Kintail Deer stalker
Jessie wife age 57?  should be 37 born Glenshiel Rosshire
Mary dau age 12 born Kittarlity Invernesshire
William M son age 10 Lochmalsh
Donald M son age 8 Lochmalsh
James Colin M son age 4 Lochmalsh
Elizabeth dau age 1 Kintail
Margaret MacRae age 18 general servant  Kintail

Pam
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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 01 December 07 15:35 GMT (UK) »
Pam.

The Jessie wife of Robert Campbell was a girl McRae. All or most of
their son's have M for McRae as their middle christian name.

Robert is James and Adam's brother.

As for  Mary Campbell missing in the census, only knows ???  Mary went on
to marry her 1st cousin another William Campbell. Mary died at Fort Augustus
Scotland in 1915.

Very confusing to say the least.

Adam Campbell married Catherine McDonald of Tarbert Harris on the 20th March 1879.

As for little Jessie Campbell born 1869. I just didn't know she existed.

Will keep searching.

Please keep in touch.

Mike :)


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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 06 September 08 21:36 BST (UK) »
Adam Campbell, native of Kintail, aged 26 (born c. 1852) joined the Inverness-shire Constabulary on 25th March 1878.

He is recorded as having previously been a Shepherd and then a Gamekeeper.

His first station was Obbe (now Leverburgh) on the Isle of Harris, and in November 1878 he was transferred to the opposite end of the Western Isles, on the Island of Barra. He resigned from the force on 3rd March 1880.
(He obviously met his wife while stationed in Harris - this happened a lot to young bobbies posted to the Hebrides, including me!!)

Interesting that Adam's family had by this time moved to Bridgend, Kilmorack (near Beauly) - see 1881 census - as in 1882 he successfully re-applied to join the Force, being taken on on 7th August, and was posted to Strathglass (the Struy/Cannich area, i.e. up the Glen from Beauly towards Glen Affric). His performance was obviously acceptable as he was upgraded to 2nd class Constable (more pay) in December 1886 and then again to 1st class in February 1889.

In June 1890 he moved to Fort Augustus (southern end of Loch Ness), and after three and a half years there he was transferred in December 1893 to Lentran Beat (between Inverness and Beauly). He left the Police Service on 20th May 1894, and obviously would have had to give up the rented house provided by the police.

The reference in thec 1901 census to Adam being a lodger at S E Loch Oich (not far from Fort Augustus) while a Navvy would ring true, as he would know the area well and was clearly employed on the construction of the railway from Spean Bridge to Fort Augustus (work started in 1897 and it finally opened in 1903). It is possible, given his previous police experience,  that he could have been doing more of a security job rather than purely manual labour.

Hope this helps.

Dave
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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 07 September 08 17:29 BST (UK) »
Dave.  Many thanks for your interesting notes. Really gives a picture of
my Great Aunt's son Adam.

Would be keen to see a book that the Police may print on the Islands and
Highlands, especially if Adam Campbell is mentioned.

I have an interesting query for you, and hope you can answer. Adam's oldest  brother John Campbell has never been tracked down.  However
on the 9th Sept 1884, a John Campbell of Strathglass was charged at the
Inverness Circuit Court, of Murdering the elderly Alexander McGillvary at the Struy Bridge on the 22nd July. John Campbell, and Alex McGillvary's
son, David, had a few too many drinks on the Pay day at the Struy Inn.

I am wondering if this John was Adam's brother, as the Campbell's, and as you mentioned, Adam was stationed at Strathglass Cannich.

Alex McGillvary came from Kiltarilty where Adam's nephew William Campbell
lived. William would have been 12. The year he got his first set of Pipes. In
1891 William became Queen's second Piper.

This is just a query, so you don't need to tie yourself up at length. Would be interested all the same. John Campbell lived a quarter of a mile away
from the Struy Bridge. He had a daughter Catherine.

Nice to hear from you. Keep in touch.
 
Regards Mike.

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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 07 September 08 18:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Mike

Just a point on the brother John. The first born John in 1845 looks to have died before the 1851 census and does not show in any census. There looks to have been another son, younger brother of Adam, also called John born on 3 FEB 1856 in Kintail. However, in Pam's census entries for the family, there is an Alexander showing in his place for 1861 (age 5) and 1871 (age 15). Not sure what's what there  :-\

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« Reply #24 on: Sunday 07 September 08 18:35 BST (UK) »
Monica. Nice to hear from you.

I guess you're right about John dying. Hence the parents renaming
the youngest son John, then having second thoughts.

The youngest brother was renamed Alexander Williamson Campbell and was originally named John. I have never seen the original entry, but wonder if the Williamson name was misinterpruted as " William' Son "ie Son of William, and not Williamson. Williamson is not a family name. The original Grt and Grt Grandmother's were MacKays' from Durness Sutherland.

Alexander and his sister Rachel moved to New Zealand and are buried
in Canterbury NZ.  Ironic was the fact that the Pipes that were given to
their nephew William by King Edward VII ended up in Canterbury NZ from Canada in 1982, then shipped to Southerbys in London for
Auction.

John Campbell was born at Loch Broom Rossshire on the 17 May 1845.
Alexander W ( John ) Campbell born 3 Feb 1856 Malm Kintail and died in
NZ in 1926.

Regards.

Mike.

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 07 September 08 18:51 BST (UK) »
From the info you have, I think this may be the potential John Campbell who killed old Alex McG:

John Campbell 46, general lab., b. South Uist (G), Invss Shire
Janet Campbell 49
Rachel Campbell 14
Catherine Campbell 9
Georgina Campbell 8

Address:Invercannich, Kilmorack

He's the only one showing with a daughter Catherine in the area  ::)

Monica

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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 07 September 08 19:57 BST (UK) »
I would very much doubt that the accused in the murder case would have been the local bobby's brother. Had it been so, then undoubtedly Adam would have been moved out of the area at the first possible opportunity. It would have made his position untenable.

Incidentally, whereas latterly an officer would be recorded as being stationed at a specific location e.g. "Beauly" or "Cannich", in earlier times it was the Beat which was recorded, such as "Strathglass", because it would seem that the police rented a house where the officer stayed (and used a room as an office). As such, if the rent became too much, or the house became too msall for an officer's family, or if a distant part of the beat became busier and merited moving the officer nearer the "action", an alternative house in the area would be rented. In more recent times, the police authority adopted a policy of building (or buying) houses in the main village of the beat, and thus a permanent location for the "police Station" was established.

I would think that Adam would have been based in or around Cannich, rather than down towards Struy, as Cannich village sits at the junction of several glens.

Cannich, incidentally, became quite a busy place immediately post WW2, with the construction of the Hydro-Electric dams and the quiet glens occupied by large numbers of construction workers!

Sorry I have no information on police "customers"!

Dave
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