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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #27 on: Monday 08 September 08 15:22 BST (UK) »
Dave.   You're quite correct in that Adam Campbell would be put in a very
delicate position and would only cause more difficulties in the area, hence
have to be relocated.

Your comment on the Campbell's living around Beauly. Will mention this
for those interested.  After Sir Walter Scott died in 1832, his Factor
William Laidlaw aquired a position with the Seaforth McKenzie's near
Loch Broom. Laidlaw mayhave gathered the Irvine, Rae and Common
Amos and Laidlaw families to work with him. Laidlaw later got employment
as factor to Ross of Balnagowan, hence the shift down to the Beauly, Rosskeen area.

Grt Grt Grandfather's sister Elizabeth married a Robert Laidlaw, and a Catherine Irvine of NZ married a William Laidlaw, a direct descendant of the Laidlaw's of Horseburgh Castle Traquiar.

My Grt Grt Grandmother is buried at Contin, a few plots away from
Wm Laidlaw, Scott's Factor.

Dave.  Just a quiry re Cannich. I found once, an entry for a Fannich Camp, but couldn't find it on a Map. I guess it's Cannich Camp. Was it a Forestry
Camp or maybe a Road Boards Settlement originally ?

Monica. The entry re John Campbell with a Rachel in quite a coincidence.
Also the fact that in the 1851 census, a Margaret McLennan is with the
Campbell family. Your John Campbell born circa 1835 can't be my John.
Strange is that this John married a Janet McLennan at Kilmorack in1863.

Family: John, Rachel, Elizabeth, Catherine and Georgina.

My John was born in 1845 at Loch Broom, where the Irvine family first
met the Campbells'.

John Campbell the accused, was sentenced to 5 years penal servitude
for Manslaughter. Witnesses in the case were Donald McGillvary, Angus
McKinnon, John McLennan and Findlay McRae. Findlay needed an interpruter as he only spoke the Gael.

Still dosen't find the family or which John murdered who, but it dosen't
really matter.

Please excuse any spelling mistakes. Never was much good at English.

For historical reference, Adam and James's nephew James Colin McRae
Campbell ( Son of Robert ), went on to be a highly fluent Gaelic Singer
and Chieftain of the Gaelic Society of London. All the Campbell's were
Gaelic speakers. James, Queen's Piper spoke fluent German and this was
commented on by Kaiser Bill when on a shooting trip.

James retired to Fort Augustus and is buried with his parents at Beauly.

Thanks again Dave and Monica. Keep in touch.

Regards Mike.

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« Reply #28 on: Monday 08 September 08 18:02 BST (UK) »
As stated earlier, I do not have any information as to where the officer for Strathglass lived aroudnb this period but the guys who were stationed there before and after Adam were:

1870 - 1871  Nathaniel CAMERON
1872 -1876  Hugh FORBES
1876 - 1882  Malcolm MACARTHUR
(1882-1890  Adam CAMPBELL)
1890 - 1891  Duncan CAMPBELL
1891 - 1892  John BARRON
1892 - 1895  John MACASKILL
1895 - 1913  William MACDONALD

Maybe if some kind soul could have a look in census records to see where the officer resided (although there's no guarantee that it would have been the same house for long periods)

As regards the Struy murder, it would no doubt have been reported in the papers of the time.

The fact that the accused spoke only Gaelic, would tie in with the census record of the chap Campbell from South Uist.

"Fannich" probably should be Cannich. There are some humdingers of Gaelic locations up that way which were Anglified - no wonder when folks are confronted with such as Loch Beinn a Mheadhoin
pronounced "benavean".

In 1947 the Chief constable of Inverness-shire reported to his Police Committee, in an effort to extra manpower for the area that:-

"There  are  to be two constructional Camps; one at Cannich  to  house about 1200 people and one at Loch Mullardoch - some 8 to 10 miles from Cannich - to house about 500 people. The total  of 1700 will increase to about  2000 by the summer of 1948."[/i]

Worth a read is http://www.glenaffric.org/heritage_hydro.html

Incidentally (which is my favourite word) one of the camps - at Loch Mullardoch was called Cozac or even "Cossack" on some maps. Conditions for the police officer based there were rather basic!! (and remote!!!)

Dave
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« Reply #29 on: Monday 08 September 08 19:16 BST (UK) »
Dave.    The entry I had found for Fannich was on a document back in the
1800's, so there must have been a settlement earlier on.

I found the court case in a newspaper printed in 1884. If you're interested
in a copy, some 8 pages, I'll gladly post them to you. If you want to give me your address, send me a personal message.  Makes
interesting reading.

There is no reference to Adam Campbell in the case, only Sherriffs.

The Gaelic is sure a weird language. I guess your lass has kept you up
to scratch with the phrasing etc.

Sadly, I don't have any info on Adam Campbell or photos. I don't know
when he died or is buried.

Most of the Campbell line died out. Neither James Campbell or his nephew
had boys. Robert had 3 sons, 2 emigrated to Canada and died young without boys. Both men serviced in WW1 with Canadian forces. The last
man, James CM Campbell stayed in Scotland and became the Gaelic singer. Only one boy from his family.

A coincidence, that in 1984 I sold my first home which was bought by the
Police for a Constable and his wife.  If I had known at the time that William Campbell's pipes were for sale, I would have bought them.

Dave were you ever in Lewis?  My piping teacher, Pipe Major Lewis Turrell,
who was the first man outside Scotland to win a Gold Medal at the Northern Meeting, was himself taught by Pipe Major (Wee) Donald McLeod
of Stornaway. I think Donald McLeod was in the Police Force.

Mike


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« Reply #30 on: Monday 08 September 08 21:38 BST (UK) »
The address for Malcolm McArthur, wife Mary and family, in 1881 is simply "Police Station", Kiltarlity . Looks to be next to the Poorhouse as they are coming up mixed up with the McArthurs on the index of names I am looking at.

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« Reply #31 on: Monday 08 September 08 22:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks Mike. I will indeed email you.

As for Fannich, the only instance of that name is "Loch Fannich is situated 12 miles west of Strathpeffer"), which is not far from the road to Loch Broom in Wester Ross. The Fannich/Fannaich range are a group of mountains (Munros)  nearby.

Nope, I never served in Lewis. Skye was my limit, as they say!

Dave
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« Reply #32 on: Monday 08 September 08 22:56 BST (UK) »
The address for Malcolm McArthur, wife Mary and family, in 1881 is simply "Police Station", Kiltarlity . Looks to be next to the Poorhouse as they are coming up mixed up with the McArthurs on the index of names I am looking at.

Monica

Thanks for that, Monica. Interesting that it's "Police Station, Kiltarlity". Nowadays Kiltarlity is primarily a village but back then it was likely a wider area, almost enitrely rural. The use of the location "Kiltarlity" as a location at which an officer was stationed only began in 1909, sio it is very possible that the one officer covered from Kilmorack, right up Strathglass to Cannich and beyond, and was housed wheresoever suited the Chief Constable (and the County Police Committee in terms of rental of premises). Sorry this has gone so far off-thread, but it has been fascvinating to see how many pieces have been put into the jigsaw,

Dave
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« Reply #33 on: Monday 08 September 08 23:26 BST (UK) »
It's the way these things go Dave. Small pieces of info add to everyone's jigsaws.

I for one am finding the pieces of history of the police force that you are covering v. interesting  ;)

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« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Message to Laidlaw Families.

Information is requested. re previously mentioned Robert Laidlaw and Elizabeth (Betsey) Irvine of Kirkton Roxburghshire.

This couple moved to Guelph Ontario circa 1829 and stayed with an Inglis
family in Canada also ex Roxburghshire. Robert & Betsey's only daughter
Betsey Irvine Laidlaw married her cousin Joseph Irvine Hobson.

Joseph Hobson became Sir Joseph Irvine Hobson for his Engineering achievements, one of which was the building of the first and longest underground rail tunnel in North America, going beneath the St Clair River circa 1898/99.

Any information on these families would be appreciated. Joseph Irvine Hobson's mother was one Margaret Inglis. Seeking her connection to the
Irvine family. She had 2 son's, Joseph Irvine Hobson and John Inglis Hobson.

Margaret Inglis's husband also Joseph Hobson was Lord of Mosburgh Manor
Eccelston Derbyshire, selling this property and sailing with Robert Laidlaw
to Canada to purchase lands in Ontario.

Joseph Hobson Snr born in 1808 inherited his English property from his father Joseph after the death of the latters brother William, whom died in 1779.

Some connection to Joseph Hobson Jagger whom broke the Bank of Monte
Carlo is related. This man was a distant cousin of Mick Jagger of the Rolling
Stones.

A Jean Inglis married a William Irvine of Manor Peebles in 1830 and will be
a possible cousin of Catherine Irvine and William Laidlaw of Innerleithen.
William Laidlaw is buried at Borthwick Peebles, and Catherine is buried in
New Zealand. Two of William Laidlaw's  brother's also moved to Ontario Canada.

Any info on these families would be much appreciated.

Thanks to all.

Mike.

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« Reply #35 on: Sunday 04 January 09 10:14 GMT (UK) »
Message to Laidlaw, Hart and Irvine Families of Roxburghshire.

Further correction to my previous note, Betsey Irvine of Guelph died in childbirth, or complications after the birth of her infant daughter Margaret Laidlaw, whom both died after October and in the year of 1835. Betsey Irvine
Laidlaw was the last and only surviving daughter of above Betsey Irvine.

Sadly Betsey Irvine's sister in law Rachel Beattie would also died 6 days after the birth of her daughter Rachel Isabella who luckily survived birth from 1839.

My query is to the Hart Families re my possible Grt Grt Grandfather's 1st
cousin William Irvine whom married Isabella Hart at Roberton in 1817.

Isabella Hart's sister Helen married David Laidlaw, possible brother of previous referred Robert Laidlaw of Roberton and Guelph. The latters parents being Robert Laidlaw and Margaret Grieve.

David and Helen Hart Laidlaw moved to Bovina, Delaware Co NY USA sometime
between 1841 and 1855. In 1841 were living at Whithope Roberton Roxburghshire. William Irvine and Isabella Irvine (Nee Hart ) were living at
the Schoolhouse Minto Roxburghshire up to 1851.

Isabella's and Helen's youngest sibling and brother, George Hart, was living at Highchesters Roberton in 1841 having married a Jane Pennycook after the death of his first wife Betsey Vair.

Any information or response to these notes would be much appreciated.

Mike