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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 05 February 09 21:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello Mike
You are right, we are not on topic.  Before we go I should add to a statement that you and I have both made and that may be incorrect  The Ontario vital record of Margaret Lockie's death lists her place of birth as Kelso, Roxburghshire.  The informant is listed as John Hobson and we know him to be a reputable and meticulous person.  So I suspect that she was born in Kelso which eliminates Margaret Pittilla as her mother.  But you never know . . .
I would like to carry on this conversation in another folder within RootsChat.  Perhaps you or I could start a new one within the Roxburghshire forum with a title that encompasses all of these families: Irvine,Laidlaw, Inglis, Lockie, Boyd.  What do you think?

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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #46 on: Friday 06 February 09 10:38 GMT (UK) »
Jim.   It's ok with me if you want to open a folder in the Roxburgh site. I guess people would  look there first. I have looked in this section but haven't found much really.

If you open a folder I would come in with any info, not that I have much to
offer. I have concentrated mainly on the Irvine name and made links to others
on the way.

Don't be too concerned about putting general information, or assumptions
out there. Only as long as we note as "possible" or "unconfirmed" in the
reference to these ancestors. I am sure that Mr Hobson agrees that mentioning possibilities, opens up avenues.

I do get abit concerned when certain records and trees name people without
any notations or solid proof. However I am sure that I think that my info is
correct, and have been proven wrong, and will be in the future.

Cheers

Mike


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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Dear readers.    The following information I have located and hope that this
will give bring leads on the Family of Irving/Irvine of Westerkirk Dumfries as
mentioned in " Rulewater and It's People ".

REV ANDREW IRVINE. BA MA.

Possibly born at Westerkirk Dumfries between 1785-1800.

Andrew was Educated at Emmanuel College Cambridge receiving his
Bachelors Degree in 1823, then his MA, before becoming an Anglican Minister and assistant Preacher at the Temple London.

While in London he met his wife to be, Elizabeth Rawlinson (Rowlandson/Rollinson) a possible sister of Sir Christopher Rawlinson Knt Bl,
whom became Chief Justice of Madras from 1850 to 1859.

Elizabeth and Christopher where the children of one John Rawlinson of
Upper Clatford and Alresford Hampshire a descendant of Thomas Rollinson
and Martha Lock of Old Croyden Kent.

After being an assistant preacher, Andrew Irvine became the Chaplain of the
Tower of London. He was a Master of the Charter School House before taking
the position as Vicar of St Margaret's College Leicester in 1830.

Elizabeth Rawlinson, his wife, was possibly born in 1803 in London, and died
there on the 18th July 1867. Out living her husband by 20 years.

The couple had a family of at least 5 children. The youngest found to date, was
Octavius Butler Irvine b 1836 and died at Madras India on 14th May1880.

Octavius married his 1st cousin Marianne Irvine, daughter of Lt Col Archibald
Irvine of Westerkirk Dumfries, in 1863, possibly at St Nicholas Church Bathampton Somerset, while being on 2 1/2 years medical leave from the
Indian Civil Service. He would later become a Judge of the High Court Madras.

Octavius's twin brother, the Rev John Irvine. MA, would become the Rector of
St. Mary's College Colchester.

Marianne Irvine, wife of Octavius, was the daughter of Marianne Elizabeth Sparks Shakespear, she being the Grand daughter of William Makepeace
Thackeray (Novelist), a good friend of John Aitken Carlyle, brother of the
famous Scot, Thomas Carlyle.

John Carlyle lived at Alresford Hamphire as did John Rawlinson mentioned previously.

Letters by Thomas Carlyle to and from his brother, and his wife Jane Baillie Welsh in 1850 while she was visiting John Carlyle in Hamphshire, mention Lt Col Henry Rawlinson, and also Marianne (Shakespear) Irvine's Grandfather William Thackeray. Henry Rawlinson was a cousin of Elizabeth and Christopher
Rawlinson of Alresford.

Jane Baillie Welsh Carlyle was a student of the famous preacher Edward Irving
of Annan Dumfries, also a very good friend of Thomas Carlyle, and I am wondering if Andrew Irvine was Edward's brother.

Andrew Irvine (Rev), was a very energetic man and had done alot for the poor
of Leicester. On at least one occasion he had corresponded with Lord Melborne and also Charles Darwin.

He remained as Rector of St Margaret's before becoming ill. Possibly
seeking medical attention in London, he sadly died on the 4th Dec 1847 in the
house of his brother Lt Col Irvine at Hyde Park Street London.

Lt Col Archibald Irvine ( Director of Works for the Admiralty ) would follow his brother only 2 years later after having a riding accident and dying in December of 1849. His wife Marianne Shakespear was a sister of Augusta Ludlow ( Laidlaw?) Shakespear, wife of Gen Sir John Low, and having a son Major Irvine Low.

Any further information on the family names would be greatly met.




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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #48 on: Monday 02 March 09 12:07 GMT (UK) »
Dear readers. The following info is supplied for families researching the
Shakespear and Thackeray Trees.

The previous note re Elizabeth Rawlinson and Andrew Irvine: Elizabeth was
indeed the daughter of John Rawlinson and his wife Felicia Watson. Refer
National Biographies re Sir Christopher Rawlinson son of John Rawlinson and
Felicia Watson.

Elizabeth and the Rev Andrew Irvine named their oldest daughter Isabella
Felicia Irvine born in London in 1826.

Another daughter named Louisa Catherine Irvine born circa 1832/34 at Leicester, married a cousin thru her Aunt Marianne Shakespear wife of Lt Col Archie Irvine.

Louisa married on either the 9th or 10th Aug 1860 at Brompton London
the Rev Francis St John Thackeray, son of Francis Thackeray and his wife, also a Marianne Shakespear.

Francis St John Thackeray was the older brother of  Col Sir Edward Talbot
Thackeray VC KCB of the Bengal Lancers.

The family of Francis St John Thackeray and Louisa Irvine were born at
Eton Buckinghamshire.



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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #49 on: Friday 13 March 09 09:58 GMT (UK) »
The following info is supplied as a correction to that given regarding the direct
descendants of Elizabeth Rawlinson-Irvine.

I stated that her descendants were that of Thomas Rollinson and Martha Lock.
This couple were the relatives of the Rawlinson Family of Chadlington Oxfordshire, while Elizabeth is a descendant of the Rawlinson family of
Combe House Alresford Hampshire. There will be connections between the two
families both members of the East India Company but the connection is not
known at this time.

I have, and supply the Combe House family as accurate as I can give.


                RAWLINSON FAMILY OF COMBE HOUSE ALRESFORD HANTS


1.  John Rawlinson  m  Eleanor Whistler ( Dau of Henry Whistler 1594-1661 )

2.   ....................................?

3    ....................................?

4.   Christopher Rawlinson

5    John Rawlinson

6    John Rawlinson  m  Felicia Watson ( Dau of Thomas Watson of Hadley
                                                               Hall Middlesex ENG )



6/1 Elizabeth Rawlinson b circa 1802/4   m  Rev Andrew Irvine of Leicester


6/2 Christopher Rawlinson ( Sir ) b 10 July1806   d 28 Mar 1888

       married  Georgina Maria Radclyffe-Sidebottom
                     ( Dau of Alexander Radclyffe-Sidebottom and Elizabeth Helm )

6/3 Felicia Rawlinson b circa 1808  d 1879  m  William Bannerman 
                     ( Son of Rev James Patrick Bannerman & Mary Turing of Forglen
                       Banffshire Scotland )

6/4 William Edward Rawlinson b circa 1810  d 1848 Capt 1st Bombay Fusiliers

         married Jane Stringer b 1812
                      ( Dau of Miles Stringer & Jane Clarke of Efflington Hill Surrey )

6/5 George Rawlinson ( Rev )  ??


6/6 Thomas Rawlinson  ( Barrister )


6/7 Marianne Rawlinson b circa 1817


For anyone interested in Football. A son of Sir Christopher Rawlinson mentioned above, named John Frederick Peel Rawlinson 1860-1926, was an FA cup winner and had one cap as Goalkeeper for England.





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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 15 March 09 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Seeking the family of one Robert Irvine of Leicester.

As referred to previously, Andrew Irvine lived at Leicester between 1830 and
1849, and it was in this period that a Robert Irvine was a Draper in Leicester.

Robert Irvine died in 1843 and was the son of a Mr Irvine that was, at the time, possibly employed at Wheatcroft Farm near Castle Douglas in Kirkcubright.

One Simon Irvine was also in the clothing industry having a hosiery business
at Jedburgh Roxburghshire. Simon's parents were Archie Irvine and Betsey
Little. His Grandfather was a John Irvine and his mother's parents were
Simon Little and Betsey Brown of Downiegill Westerkirk in Dumfries.

If I am correct, Betsey Little's sister Margaret married Robert Irvine son of
Robert Irvine and Janet Telfer. Robert and Margaret Little-Irvine are buried at
Howden New Crailing Roxburghshire.

Any connections to the descendants of Robert Irvine and Elizabeth Telfer of
Roxburghshire that married into the Harley family, and also the Clouston families of Shetland/Orkney that settled in Otago New Zealand is also sought.

Any information on the Little families that lived in Hampshire during the same time frame would be much appreciated.

Many thanks

Mike

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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #51 on: Sunday 15 March 09 07:03 GMT (UK) »
These any of yours?? Portsmouth Hampshire

1851 H0107/1658  folio 648 page 26 Portsmouth Hampshire

Nolli? Lane

Hugh Little age 41 late soldier Ireland
Margaret age 41 Ireland
Rachael dau age 18 Laundry Maid Jersey
Henry son age 15 Lab  Kildare Ireland
Emma dau age 13 Dressmaker County Clare Ireland
Next Page
William Little age 7 shoemaker? Roscommin ireland
Hugh son age 5 Fort of George Scotland
Henry Brown lodger age 35 Soldier Wrexford ireland
Margaret Brown age 30 Dressmaker Ireland
John  son age 5 Toronto Canada
Eliza  dau  age 4 new London Canada
Margaret dau  age 1 month Hants


1851 H0107/ 2527 folio 962 page 6 st helier jersey Channel islands

transcribed pauper idiot but says boarder there are a few boarders and the others say pauper lunatic or pauper idiot.

General hospital and workhouse
Richard Little age 31 boarder Annuitant Botley hampshire


Pam
oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #52 on: Sunday 15 March 09 09:19 GMT (UK) »
Dear Pam.  Nice to hear from you again. 

The last bit of your message re "pauper idiot", I can relate too, if  you know what I mean.

As far as I know, none of the Little's were from Ireland or sodders in any army
over there.

Most of my Little's were based in Cumberland and moved up to Dumfries marrying into the Beattie families.

Will certainly have a close look at your info and let you know what I find.

I wish you and your team a happy St Patrick's day while I sip on a dram
of Jamiesons while typing this.

Slainte Mhath

Mike

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Re: Royal Household
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 17 March 09 09:36 GMT (UK) »
Rawlinson Family- Addition & amendment.

1.  For the family  of John Rawlinson and Felicia Watson, a son named Henry
Rawlinson born in 1813 to be added. Henry was a curate at Symondsbury in
Dorset and intrumental in founding the little church of St Peter's Eype
Symondsbury in 1864. Henry Rawlinson is buried in this graveyard, but I don't
have any particulars. ( Not to be mistaken for Sir Henry Rawlinson or Canon
George Rawlinson of Canturbury- The Chadlington Oxford Family )

2. Amend. William Edward Rawlinson was born in 1808. Capt in Indian Army
& European Regt Dept. He also became Judge Advocate General of the
Bombay Army. ( Refer list of Carthusians 1800-1879 )