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Re: Marriage Mystery
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 12 December 07 17:31 GMT (UK) »
Ok thanks.

Can you see any info on the 1901 census for the other three children whom were Sharps?

George Thomas, Frederick Foulston and Amy?  :)

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Re: Marriage Mystery
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 12 December 07 18:51 GMT (UK) »
can't identify George in 1891 or 1901. Could he have joined the army or similar?

1891 114 Marcus Street, Brightside Bierlow RG12/3828 folio 138 pg 30
Jane Sharp head mar 53 charwoman b. Lincs, Hibaldstow
Fred son 17 engine stoker (cutlery works) b. Lincs, Brigg
Amy dau 14 metal rubber b. Notts, Retford

1901 108 Marcus St, RG13/4373 folio 82 pg 33
Jane Sharp head widow 63 b. Hilbaldstow
Fred grandson 7 b. Sheffield
Frank Newton boarder 33 fitter's labourer b. Lancs, Denting

best match I can see for grandson's birth
George Frederick Sharp dec qtr 1893 Sheffield vol 9c pg 555

possibility for Fred?
Sheffield Road, Newbold & Dunston, Derbyshire RG13/3250 folio 73 pg 17
Fred Sharpe head mar 28 coal miner b. Newark, Notts
Josephine wife 32 b. Derbyshire, Brimington
Esther Neale mother-in-law widow 64 b. Brimington
Mary A D Neale sister-in-law 24 electric something(?) factory b. Brimington

marriage reg
Fred Sharpe march qtr 1898 Chesterfield vol 7b pg 884 with Josephine Neale on the same page

2/3 Denholme St, Brightside Bierlow RG13/4373 folio 52 pg 19
Frederick Booth head mar 27 general labourer b. Sheffield
Amy E wife 25 b. Notts, Retford
Amelia dau 3 b. Sheffield

marriage
Frederick Booth dec qtr 1896 Sheffield vol 9c pg 796 with Amy Elizabeth Sharp on the same page

 :)



Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Marriage Mystery
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 12 December 07 19:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,

I think that george went to live in newcastle somewhere I'm not sure and Frederick married Elizabeth Amelia Chester (first husbands name) nee Dugher (maiden name)


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Re: Marriage Mystery
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 12 December 07 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Scrap that bit about George Thomas living in newcastle it was my fathers uncle George (frederick) that did (Frederick Foulston Sharps eldest son)

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Re: Marriage Mystery
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 12 December 07 21:39 GMT (UK) »
How did I not spot that marriage?  :-[     :-[

Elizabeth Amelia Chester dec qtr 1897 Doncaster vol 9c pg 1325 with Frederick Foulston Sharpe on the same page

1901 11 Ellins Yard, Doncaster (next to Plant Inn) RG13/4410 folio 60 pg 30
Frederick Sharpe head mar 26 railway shunter b. Lincs, Brigg
Elizabeth wife 23 b. Lincs, Stamford
Mary dau 6 b. Doncaster
George son 2 b. Doncaster
Alfred son 1 b. Doncaster

Another son called George!   ::)

Elizabeth Amelia Dugher march qtr 1890 Doncaster vol 9c pg 763 with Arthur Chester on the same page
Death reg
Arthur Chester 35 dec qtr 1896 Doncaster vol 9c pg 458

1891 45 St Swithin's Tce, Doncaster RG12/3862 folio 85 pg 25
Arthur Chester head mar 30 moulder b. Yorks, Auckley
Elizabeth wife 25 b. Stainford
Henry Hughes boarder 20 labourer b. Yorks, Hatfield

Interesting ages for Elizabeth - wonder what she'll be when the 1911 comes out? In her teens?

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Marriage Mystery
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 13 December 07 08:51 GMT (UK) »
Well I did wonder  ::)  ;D

Yes I'm sure in the 1911 census she'll be 18!!! :D

Anyway, I got it wrong again, it was My dad's uncle Alfred that went to Newcastle to live. I'll get there in the end!!!  ::)

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Re: Marriage Mystery
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 12 January 08 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi again! Happy new year to all!!!
Just wanted to firstly update you on a few things. I put the information you found me about the elder Shepherd girls into my genes site and as a result of the I am in contact with the great grandson of Christiana, and the great grandson of Emma Jame!!! Thats a brill result and I just wanted to say thanks again!!

Also, I wondered if you could have a look for any information on the various census for any of George Shepherd's brothers and sisters, and who they married etc, so I can add that too. You never know!! (no one else is aware of any reason to change surname)

Here are the names we have so far:-

Father of George Shepherd was Thomas Shepherd b c1800 maried Charlotte Ellis b 1802 d 1867
His father was William Shepherd b c 1768 married Elizabeth Brown b c1780

George Shepherds siblings were:-

Elizabeth b 1831
William b 1833
James 1834
*George b 1836*
Christopher b 1839
Emma b 1841
Frederick b 1845
Harriott b 1848

It would be great if I could add who they had married and subsequent children etc, as I have with Georges children. Perhaps If any of their desendents are around they might know why he changed his name.

Thanks in anticipation

Diane x  :)

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Re: Marriage Mystery
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 12 January 08 21:13 GMT (UK) »
edited to remove big blank space    ::)

I'll give you what I can at the moment, but I might not have time to do them all.

1851 North Muskham Ho107/2135 folio 416 pg 25
Thomas Shepperd head mar 50 gardener
Charlotte wife 44 b. Norwell
George son 15
Chris son 12
Emma dau 10
Frederick son 6
Harriott dau 3
all born North Muskham except where stated

Elizabeth age 21 b. Norwell is a servant in Brant Broughton , Lincs HO107/2136 folio 274 pg 13

William 18 is a servant to the Rector of Southwell, John Murray Wilkins HO107/2134 folio 302 pg 11

James 16 is an apprentice harness maker in Foston Lincs HO107/2138 folio 122 pg 8

1861 Thomas, Charlotte, Frederick and Harriet are still in North Muskham and there is also a 2 year old grandson Frank Sheppard b. Nottingham RG9/2474 folio 101 pg 17

Fletcher's Yard, North Muskham RG9/2474 folio 100 pg 15
William Shepherd head mar 30 ag lab
Ann wife 28 b. Lincs, Hougham
Emma dau 7
Arthur son 4
Eliza dau 1
James Hayse lodger 41 gardener b. Whatton in the Vale
all born North Muskham except where stated

possible for Elizabeth as a dressmaker in Nottingham RG9/5465 folio 84 pg 18

James is a saddler boarding at 4 White Horse St, St George's Hanover Square, Middx
RG9/45 folio 12 pg 24

possible marriage for Emma to Edward Lawley dec qtr 1859 Nottingham vol 7b pg 410 - I've matched the other couple on the page - but, I can't spot them in the census. No sign of Chris either.

1871 North Muskham RG10/3537 folio 32 pg 5
Thomas Shepherd widower 70
Elizabeth dau 39
Frank grandson 12

death reg
Charlotte Shepherd 60 june qtr 1867 Southwell vol 7b pg 168

19 Market Place, Newark RG10/3542 folio 46 pg 2
James Sheppard head mar 37 saddler & harness maker master employing 2 men . Nth Muskham
Ann wife 37 b. Newark
Lydia dau 5 b. Nottingham
Thomas son 3 b. Newark

North Muskham RG10/3537 folio 37 pg 16
William Sheppard head mar 40 carpenter
Ann wife 38 b. Lincs, Hougham
Emma dau 17 dressmaker
Alice dau 7
Ellen dau 3
Rose dau 1
William garland 17 carpenter's apprentice b. Lincs, Fulbeck
all born North Muskham except where stated

Mulberry Place, Liverpool RG10/3783 folio 84 pg 55
Frederick Shepherd 26 unm saddler b. Notts, North Muskham
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Marriage Mystery
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 12 January 08 22:30 GMT (UK) »
what happened there - I've got great big gaps   ???

1881

Thomas has just died
Thomas Shepherd 81 march qtr 1881 Southwell vol 7b pg 248

Frederick Sheppard is unmarried, a saddler in Newark RG11/3376 folio 70 pg 36

James is in Nottingham, same wife, same children RG11/3353 folio 99 ph 55

Elizabeth has married and is in North Muskham with husband Samuel Waterson, RG11/5372 folio 25 pg 15 - no children

Elizabeth Shepherd dec qtr 1873 Southwell vol 7b pg 683 with Samuel Waterson on the same page

Frank Sheppard is a footman in Whitchurch, Shropshire RG11/2670 folio 30 pg 3

William Shepherd is now a butler in Highclere, Hants probably the family in Highclere Castle - they aren't home, but lots of servants are. He is married to Ann, but possibly not the same one as this one is from Leicestershire, not Lincs.

Ah- just spotted Harriet possibly
1871 14 Chapel yard, Glanford Brigg, Lincs RG10/3429 folio 20 pg 34
Henry Taylor head mar 40 ag lab
Harriette wife 28
William son 9 months
all born North Muskham
Number 18 is the home of John Sharp  ;D
can't spot a marriage, but it seems too much of a coincidence. Her age reverts to what is should be in 1881 & 1891, and there are more children including a daughter Charlotte 1891 RG12/2626 folio 28 pg 21

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb