1861 & 71 look-up please

[Kayzee]

I would be grateful if someone could find the following family in 1861 and/or 71. In 1851 they are at Blackmountain, Cefnkalonogg, Knighton. I can see from another query that although the children are said to be born in Shropshire the census is classed as Radnorshire, so I hope I'm asking on the correct board!
Timothy Hamer bn 1810 Rads
Mary               bn 1818 Rads
Henry              bn 1837 Shrops
Mary                    1840    "
Emma                   1842   "
Edwin                   1844    "
Elizabeth               1847    "   
Many thanks
Kay

[Arranroots]

Hello Kay

Here are some of them in 1861

RG9/4243/26/1

Timothy HAMAR H M 51 - m s - Newbridge, Radnors
Mary W M 45 - Llangwnlow? Radnors
Emma dau 17 Salop Bettws?
Elizabeth dau 9 - do
Timothy son 6 - do

Address: Black Mountain, Cefn Calanog, Radnors

kind regards, Arranroots 

[Arranroots]

Some sons ...

RG9/4243/27/3

Henry HAMAR serv U 24 - (no specific occupation stated) - Clun Shropshire

Address: Hall On Forest, Cefn Canalog, Radnors - servant on the farm of Henry Owen

And next door ...

Edwin HAMAR servant U 17 - (nothing specified) - Shropshire Bettws

Address: New House, Cefn Canalog, Radnors - servant to William Pritchard, farmer


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[Arranroots]

1871 - possible for Emma and Henry?

RG10/2729/37/12

Emma HAMAR H W 29? (illegible!) - farmer - Clun parish, Shropshire
Elizabeth dau 8 - do
Henry brother law (sic) Un 31 - farmers son - do
+ 4 servants

Address: Colstey, Eddycliffe, Shropshire

[Arranroots]

RG10/5595/53/13

Timothy HAMER serv U 17 - farm servant - Salop Bettws

Servant at Moor Hall, Herbert JONES freeholder of 240 acres, Bettws y Crwyn and Ceffncullonog (creative spellings for this place!!)

 

[Arranroots]

I can't seem to see Edwin in 1871 - try checking BMDs for a death and also 1881 to see if he was hiding!

kind regards, Arranroots 

[osprey]

Looks like Edwin might be in Shropshire in 1881 - just over the border
Ale Oak no 4, Bettws y Cwryn, RG11/5473 folio 32 pg 13
Edwin Hamer head mar 37 farm labourer
Jane wife 34
Mary A dau 8 scholar
William E son 6 scholar
George H son 4
Ada J dau 2
Annie M dau 1
all born Bettws y Crwyn

likely marriage
Edwin Hamer june qtr 1871 Knighton vol 11b pg 253 with Jane Gough on the same page.
In 1871, Jane is at home with family at Badgers Moor, Bettws y Crwyn  RG10/5595 folio 43 pg 16
But where is Edwin?
 

[Kayzee]

Wow! Thanks Arranroots & Osprey for all your hard work! Not only are there creative spellings but creative ages too! How does 4 year old Elizabeth get to be 9 ten years later - I suppose I should look at birth & death registrations. The Colstey address is interesting. Mary Hamer bn circa 1840  md Richard Hughes in 1868 & Richard's brother Thomas lived at Colstey in 1861 & 71 as a carter. I need to see if Emma Hamar md another Hamer as she would need to to have this surname again. Mary was called Mary Ann in later years, is she listed as that in 1861 perhaps?