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Re: Edith Royle Chadwick : 1891 and 1901
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 07 April 09 23:16 BST (UK) »
Suz, your remark that Susannah and Edith could be related is maybe true?
Edith was (according to your info) lodger in the Lister family (Richard Lister, son of Richard Lister, father of Susanna) With a little fantasy it's possible that Benjamin and his first wife Susanna often visited their brother / brother in law Richard Lister. When the relation between Benjamin and Susanna went wrong ?? (I heard some familystories that Susanna became mentally ill and ended up in a special home??), Benjamin fancied Edith and later on married with her?? In that case you could say, he wasn't a gentleman, having children with Edith whilst still married with Susanna??  But its only a guess??
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Re: Edith Royle Chadwick : 1891 and 1901
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 07 April 09 23:26 BST (UK) »
What you really need (to prove/disprove) family stories is Susannah's death cert - this would give place and cause of death.
Maybe if she did have a mental illness then Edith came to help out with the children or to be housekeeper - I feel she knew the family -and was possibly trusted by the family .

What you also need is the birth certs of the children you thought were of Edith -before marriage =to see who is named as parents????

I think Susannah jane Lister was the sister of Richard E Lister who married Elizabeth ( Edith Hampsons sister)

and Susannah jane and Richard E were the children of Richard lister and jane

More in a mo - just thought of something I need to check

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Re: Edith Royle Chadwick : 1891 and 1901
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 07 April 09 23:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks Mo, your info makes sense, so Alice (mother of Benjamin) belongs indeed to this family Towler.
I have only one question left. Maybe you (as pro's) know if the suffix "Towler" with Benjamin "Towler" Chadwick generally spoken means that Benjamin was born (1849) before Alice married Robert (1850)?? and he got this "suffix" of his mothers name??
Familystories also relate to a relation of Alice with some rich guy?? They told me this could explain why he got a very good education??
Maybe this is all nonsense, I only wanted to know.
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Re: Edith Royle Chadwick : 1891 and 1901
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 00:19 BST (UK) »
I'll just get back to the Listers

hope you can follow me???

Although i can find the birth reg of Susannah jane Lister -I cannot find her with her parents

there is a baptism record on IGI -but t is only submitted - so has to be treated with caution - it gives the parents of Susannah jane as Richard Lister/jane

I think this is quite possibly correct

Which means Susannah was the sister of Richard E Lister who married Elizabeth (Edith hampsons sister)

I can't locate any of the Lister family in 1851

It seems 1861 susannah and her sister mary were in a large boarding school -
Casterton Westmorland
Mary lister Pupil 14 Burnley lancs
Susannah lister pupil15 Burnley
RG9 3967 91 21

their parents were still in lancs

1861
9 Coal St lancs
Richard Lister head m 40 Draper & Tailor emmp 14 women 5 men Burnley
Jane wife 40 Clne lancs
Elizabeth daughter 16 Burnley
Richard son 9 Burnley
John son 7 Burnley
jane daughter 1 burnley
RG9 306 5 16 25


1861 is only census I can find Susannah on pre marriage

more in a mo

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Re: Edith Royle Chadwick : 1891 and 1901
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 00:21 BST (UK) »
I have just found something which is interesting !!!-well I think it is!!!!

back in a mo

Suz
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Re: Edith Royle Chadwick : 1891 and 1901
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 01:05 BST (UK) »
the siblings of your grandmother are(i believe)

Mary (died in infancy)
Gertrude A
lilian
beatrice
Edith R (gran)
Muriel
Iris Victoria
Eric Warrener
Vivienne(twin)
mona (twin)
Julian Ellis

possibly the children from your grandmother onwards were legitimate.

all of the children were b Manchester -except gertrude A who was b Blackpool

possibly gertrude a was in fact Alice gertrude and was registered in mother's maiden name

Ill have a think about this and be back tomorrow

Suz

In 1891 they were living t 25 fairlawn St

1901 122 cecil st

1911 22 Fairlawn St
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Edith Royle Chadwick : 1891 and 1901
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 01:07 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Really must go to bed but found Richard Lister in my directories on St. James Street, Burnley under Tailors.

1851 census has this:

71 St. James Row, Burnley

Jane Lister, Head, Mar, 30, Tailor and Clothes Dealer, born Colne
Elizabeth A, 6, Habergham Eaves
SUSANNA, 4, Burnley
John R Greenwood, 18, Tailors Shopman, Colne

Night All,
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Re: Edith Royle Chadwick : 1891 and 1901
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 01:10 BST (UK) »
Well done, mo - so our assumptions were correct !

have a good sleep - Im having a little rest from this topic  but will be back to it later

Night

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Re: Edith Royle Chadwick : 1891 and 1901
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 09:46 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,
Only just getting back to this and saw all your activity from yesterday evening. Haven't looked at Chadwicks for a while, so have to take time to absorb your latest findings.
However, I have just had a look at marriages on FreeBMD and there is also a marriage for 1890 Q2 in Fylde (Blackpool district) for Benjamin TowlerChadwick. Possible spouses are Annie Metcalfe or Jane Boardman. If this is the same Ben, he certainly seems to have been playing around, given that Susannah's death is reg. in same quarter, and that there's also the marriage to Edith.
Ellison/Rogers/Pilkington/Wood(s)Moss/Mawdsley/Keegin (Keegan,Keagan,Keegen)
Orange/Morrisroe/Webster/Hoole/Shaw/Hague/Herbert
Hurt/Turner/Dean