MATTHEWS - 1891 census

[maki]

Can anyone help? I am trying to find JAMES MATTHEWS born ab 1853 father BENJAMIN MATTHEWS. On the 14 December 1889 he married GWENLLIAN JOHN nee WILLIAMS (born 1858) in LLANTRISAINT,PONTYPRIDD,GLAMORGAN,they had three children WILLIAM COLEMAN MATTHEWS, MARY JANE  MATTHEWS & OAKLEY GEORGE MATTHEWS my great grandfather. Have been unable to find them in 1891 census.

Thanks maki

[heywood]

Hi Maki,

I looked earlier to no avail and have just looked for a Benjamin who could be James' father but can't one either!

I saw your Oakley as a visitor in 1901 but that is all I seem to be able to find of this family. Perhaps also a death for Gwenllian 1897 which would perhaps tie in with Oakley's birth.

best wishes
heywood

Postscript
Free BMD has him as John Matthews and she as Gwenllian John - where does 'nee Williams' come in to it please?

I then looked for Gwenllian and have followed one - she seems to be married to Evan Kingdom in 1891- so wrong one!

[osprey]

Do you have James on any census? Or some idea of his place of birth? Or do you know when the older children were born?
I can see Gwenllian in 1871 & 1881, but can't spot her in 1891 so far. There's a possible for James in 1901 as a widower, giving his age as 52 and place of birth as Newport, Wales.
Any more clues?

 

[heywood]

Osprey- please see my amendment - if it is Gwenllian born 1858 Lalent - she is married to Evan Kingdom.

[heywood]

I have found a John Gunter Matthews b 1852 Cardiff - father Benjamin, living Llandadd Glamorgan in 1861 RG9; Piece: 4039; Folio: 30; Page: 21


John is still with the family in 1881 and is a solicitor - does this ring any bells?

1881 RG11; Piece: 5298; Folio: 71; Page: 61 has Mrs Gwenllian John with husband Oliver and children Ann and Mathew. The marriage in 1875 was Oliver John and Gwenllian Williams- getting there ...

[maki]

Have a marriage cert showing Nicholas Matthews to Gwenllian John Formerly Williams,on Oakleys birth cert it has father as James Matthews occupation coalminer

[heywood]

have found oliver John's death 1888 and a possible death for Gwenllian's son Matthew John and also possibly daughter is in service in 1891 but no Matthews for 1891.
Saw birth for William Coleman Matthews so he should also be on 1891. .. deary me 

[heywood]

Hooray ... but is it them - there are two Matthews on same list- John who I thought (sorry!) and Nicholas

1891 RG12; Piece: 4457; Folio 85; Page 39

10 Alm.. Terrace Margam

Elizabeth Matthews head widow 74 yrs b Bridgend
Nicholas P son 37 yrs b Maestag
Gwenllian daur in law 25 yrs b Aberkemfig
Elizabeth Ann grandaur 5 yrs b Tondn
Thomas P grandson 4 yrs  b Tondn

birthplaces difficult - would need to check

what do you think?

the children don't seem right and William Coleman Matthews was born 1890.

[heywood]

1881 it's Alma Terrace Maesteg but hsi father is John.