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Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 January 08 23:26 GMT (UK) »
Go raibh maith agat, Ta gailige beag agam agus ta me i mo mo chónaí i aontrim.

Any Idea of what rank or how I would find out???


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Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 27 January 08 16:44 GMT (UK) »
No idea who the guy is but the Sam Brown, long boots and FF (Fianna Fail) brass cap badge indicates he's an Irish Army Officer.
NCO'c (non commissioned officers) wear ankle boots and a belt without the shoulder strap.
The Irish Defense Forces personnell still wear the same badge on their caps and the same pattern is also on  uniform buttons.
'Oglaig na hEireann'. In gaelic means 'The Irish Volunteers'
Oglaig > (soldier) volunteer.
'na hEireann' > of Ireland.


Kamila's information is spot on.


From www.military.ie


The Defence Forces' Badge
The Badge design (common to all Corps and services and all orders of dress) is derived from the badge of the Irish Volunteers.

The Badge originally adopted by the Irish Volunteers October 1914 as the official badge of the organisation. The Centrepiece is formed of the letters "FF". These letters signify "Fianna Fáil". The word "Fianna" is the name of the ancient military organisation (Circa 3rd Century A.D.) forming what then corresponded to the standing army of the country. The word "Fáil" means "Destiny". One of the ancient names of Ireland was "Innisfail" (The Isle of Destiny) and "Fianna Fáil" thus signifies the "Fianna (or Army) of Ireland".

The two letters are surrounded by a representation of an ancient warriors sword belt and a circle of flames which represent the "Sunburst" – the traditional battle symbol of the Fianna. The words "Óglaigh na hÉireann" inscribed around the sword belt mean "Soldiers of Ireland". No particular significance is attached to the representation of the star which was included to balance the design.


If you mail a copy of the photo to  Irish Defence Forces Military Archives in Cathal Brugha Barracks. Rathmines Dublin 6, Telephone: + 353 (0) 1 8046457, I am sure that they will be able to assist very quickly in identifying the rank marking. Ranks and appointments were very confused in those days. Generals in the new army were often in their early 20s !!! Dashing out now but can supply further info later if required.
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Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 27 January 08 21:27 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all that I will forward a copy to military archives andwill post results when known.

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Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 13:20 GMT (UK) »
Irish military archives say he is a lieutenant .

thanks for the tip


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Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 13:54 GMT (UK) »
You are more than welcome !!

They are extremely talented nd helpfl however they are quite a small office ( 4 or 5 people).

For this reason, if contacting them with a query, try and frame your question so that it can be answered with a quick email or phone call.

As far as I know, their main function is to professionally archive military material.

I don't think that they have any obligation to assist researchers but they do their best for everyone within reason.

Put yourself in their shoes !
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Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 14:22 GMT (UK) »
I have photos of the national forces from my grandfathers stuff including some of his division/ company would they be interested??

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Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 30 January 08 14:25 GMT (UK) »
I would say Yes.... but ask them !
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Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 13 November 10 19:55 GMT (UK) »
I have cleaned the picture for you.if you can e-mail me your e-mail i will forward it on to you. Denis Murphy

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Re: irish army uniform id ? and colour clean up please
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 13 November 10 20:02 GMT (UK) »
hello vito.would you happen to have any of the old uniform