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GWATKIN, All
« on: Saturday 26 January 08 05:50 GMT (UK) »
I am beginning to organise data for a one name study of Gwatkin and its variants. Any and all information and enquiries welcome! :D

Ana
Baxter, Yorkshire    Bezant - Wiltshire
Bluett - Suffolk    Buist - Scotland
Chadwick, Yorkshire    Gwatkin - Chepstow
Johnson - Ragnall    Mason - Nottingham
Mettam - Sutton    Parker - Ayrshire
Ryde - Middlesex    Smith - London
Tunnard - Tuxford    Winchester - Moray

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Re: GWATKIN, All
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 January 08 06:10 GMT (UK) »
I am, somewhat tentatively and ignorantly, beginning to organise data for a one name study of Gwatkin and its variants. Any and all information and enquiries welcome! :D

Ana

Hello Ana,

Have you looked at www.familysearch.org ? It lists several people named Gwatkin from Tamil Nadu and Wes Bengal in India.

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 January 08 19:34 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the information. I knew there were some Gwatkins in that region, because I found British government letters to a Gwatkin working there. I hadn't checked for offspring though.

I have been using family search. But, it is a bit of a pain with Gwatkins because I always end up with hundreds of Watkins to search through to find them! Do you know how I can get the search system to keep the G in front while using soundex on the rest?

Ana
Baxter, Yorkshire    Bezant - Wiltshire
Bluett - Suffolk    Buist - Scotland
Chadwick, Yorkshire    Gwatkin - Chepstow
Johnson - Ragnall    Mason - Nottingham
Mettam - Sutton    Parker - Ayrshire
Ryde - Middlesex    Smith - London
Tunnard - Tuxford    Winchester - Moray


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Re: GWATKIN, All
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 January 08 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ana,

I think the IGI search may show only the name Gwatkin.

The Person Page number 3655 on ThePeerage.com shows www.thepeerage.com/p13655.htm shows some Gwatkins.

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Re: GWATKIN, All
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 April 08 14:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Ana,
I have just been told I have a Gwatkin in my tree.
Martha Gwatkin married John Wood 22.4.1747 Kings Caple, Herefordshire. Their daughter Mary ch 30.7.1775 Kings Caple, Herefords married John Smallman. My grandmother was a Smallman.

If anybody has a link to the Gwatkin family, I'd love to hear from you :)

Beverley
Leics-Sharp/Baker/Underwood
Marylebone-Osborne/Tod(d)
Herts- Sear, Cato
Bucks/ Beds-Impey/Field/Hall
Herefordshire-Smallman
Glos-Poole/Byard/Smallman
Middx-Kemp/Harris/Perrin/Lee/Cooper/Morrell
Middx-Ballard
Berks-Ballard
Wilts-Ballard
Hammersmith, Middx-Cranstone
Surrey/Middx-Jux
Villemagne, France- Perrin
Dunning, Perthshire-Tod/Niven
Dorset- Tod/d
Milner- Neenton, Shropshire
Edwards- Neenton, Shropshire
Poultney/Beswick-Kidderminster, Worcs

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Re: GWATKIN, All
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 02:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Beverley,

There are likely to have been several different 'Gwatkin' families, which makes it more diifficult for you to find your Gwatkins

The name developed from the Welsh patronymic system. If your name was Howell and your father's name was Walter, then you might have been called Howell ap Gwatkin. ('Ap' meaning son of, and Watkin being a pet name for Walter. The Welsh for reasons unknown to me, seem to have been inclined to stick a 'G' in front of a 'W' when it was preceeded by the 'ap'. They did the same for William, hence the surname 'Gwilliam'. If anyone knows for sure why they did this, I would love to hear from them! Perhaps saying apgw was easier than saying apw?)

When people had to choose last names in the sense we mean now, some people just dropped the 'ap' or the 'ap G', and called themselves 'Watkin' or 'Watkins', and others, only a few families from my very preliminary look at it, but more than one, dropped the 'ap' and called themselves 'Gwatkin'. (There are a few 'Gwalters' too.)

This is a long-winded way of saying that if you want to contact people in your Gwatkin family, you will need to narrow things down a bit.

I assume that the person who gave you the information about Martha Gwatkin got the information from the IGI. It is not possible to work out from the IGI who Martha's parents were. There are only two Martha's on the IGI records who are likely to have been the Martha in question, and although I know which of these I would favour, the IGI information gives an incomplete record of the people who were around at the relevant time. You would really need a will or something of the kind to give us more of an indication of the direction in which to search.

Thanks for giving me something interesting to investigate!

Ana
Baxter, Yorkshire    Bezant - Wiltshire
Bluett - Suffolk    Buist - Scotland
Chadwick, Yorkshire    Gwatkin - Chepstow
Johnson - Ragnall    Mason - Nottingham
Mettam - Sutton    Parker - Ayrshire
Ryde - Middlesex    Smith - London
Tunnard - Tuxford    Winchester - Moray

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 08:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Ana,
Thank you for your message, really interesting info. I have been tracing my nan's SMALLMAN line. One way back married a WOOD and I got in touch with someone who has done a fair bit on the Wood's. It's one of those who married a GWATKIN. The person who did the research used the usual records but I don't know how far back for, so I shall just pencil them in for now, untill I can find out more :)
Beverley
Leics-Sharp/Baker/Underwood
Marylebone-Osborne/Tod(d)
Herts- Sear, Cato
Bucks/ Beds-Impey/Field/Hall
Herefordshire-Smallman
Glos-Poole/Byard/Smallman
Middx-Kemp/Harris/Perrin/Lee/Cooper/Morrell
Middx-Ballard
Berks-Ballard
Wilts-Ballard
Hammersmith, Middx-Cranstone
Surrey/Middx-Jux
Villemagne, France- Perrin
Dunning, Perthshire-Tod/Niven
Dorset- Tod/d
Milner- Neenton, Shropshire
Edwards- Neenton, Shropshire
Poultney/Beswick-Kidderminster, Worcs

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Re: GWATKIN, All
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 April 08 22:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Ana,

I am a Gwatkin - born in Herefordshire where my family seems to come from.

We have done some research but not that extensive as yet.

Stephen

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 April 08 12:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Stephen,

Very nice to hear from a Gwatkin who is actually in Herefordshire!

I am currently classifying the Gwatkin families that I have identified by the area in which I find the earliest family member, and almost all are from Herefordshire or Monmouthshire. I am descended from a family that appears in Chepstow in 1784. I would love to know where they were before that, but am missing the information I need. I currently have 15 separate Herefordshire families, although I am 90% sure about links between some of these - I just don't have the evidence to back my hunches.

Let me know if you have information that you are happy to share or if I can help at all. I would be interested in knowing which family you fit into. Have you made links to any of the families in the census records?

Best wishes,
Ana
Baxter, Yorkshire    Bezant - Wiltshire
Bluett - Suffolk    Buist - Scotland
Chadwick, Yorkshire    Gwatkin - Chepstow
Johnson - Ragnall    Mason - Nottingham
Mettam - Sutton    Parker - Ayrshire
Ryde - Middlesex    Smith - London
Tunnard - Tuxford    Winchester - Moray