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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 07 February 08 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi Paul,
Thanks for that, it might prove interesting. One of Robert's daughters named her illegitimate son John Herbert Roberts and I had thought that maybe Robert's father might be a John, will look into it :)
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Blore - Efenechtyd/Clocaenog
Bloor - Cwm/Newmarket Wales
Price - Llangwm, Poulton cum Seacomb/Bebington
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Roberts - Brookhouse Denbigh, Bontuchel
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Hughes - Llanfairtalhaiarn
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 07 February 08 23:17 GMT (UK) »
If you have an idea someone might be somewhere let me know I don't mind having a look in the PR's

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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #20 on: Friday 08 February 08 10:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi Paul,

Thanks for looking for the baptisms for me!  I've nothing else to go on, but I suppose it's possible that John could have been a labourer in 1828 and, by the time Edward was 1st married 20 years later, in 1848 he was a blacksmith.

I had looked on the IGI and found a baptism for an Edward Jones (birth 30.3.1828) at Mwrog Street Particular Baptist, Llanfwrog with parents John and Elizabeth - is this the one you found too?

I'm a bit stuck now!!  I'm away on holiday next week but on my return I'll try and get my head round all the information I've been given and arrange a trip over to Ruthin and Bontuchel.

Thanks again for your help,

Janet

Skelly (Liverpool/Ayrshire/St Vincent)
Jones (Liverpool/Ruthin)
Mortimer (Wigan/Harrogate)
Dean (Leeds)
Wilmshurst (Liverpool/Deal)
Sides (Oswestry/Liverpool)

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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 16:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Janet,  I had a look in the Wesleyan Chapel, Mill St, Ruthin. Births and Baptisms 1813-1837.
 The only Edward Jones I could see was the S/O John & Mary. Wrexham. Miner. Born, May 29 1831. Baptised, June 9 1831 :(

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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 19:19 GMT (UK) »
There is a John Jones - a Smith - in the township of Bodyngharad Isa part of Llanfwrog in the 1841 census
(HO 107/1404/12) with a large family not including an Edward unfortunately. There is a son Robert also a Smith.
Let me know if you want the details. The mother is Elizabeth.
There is also an Edward Jones living in Mwrog St Llanfwrog as a servant born 1826.

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Jones, Edwards, Davies, Owen, Benjamin , Hughes , Roberts,Thomas,Williams, Wynne , Griffiths, Howells, Rowlands etc etc
plus
Thomas,Trewren,Holmes,Thirlwall,Jones again & again
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 19:24 GMT (UK) »
I have spotted a baptism of an Edward Jones (in IGI - Clocaenog) on the 5 Sept 1824 with parents John & Elizabeth.
Perhaps it is an age problem.

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Jones, Edwards, Davies, Owen, Benjamin , Hughes , Roberts,Thomas,Williams, Wynne , Griffiths, Howells, Rowlands etc etc
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Thomas,Trewren,Holmes,Thirlwall,Jones again & again
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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Peter and Paul,

Thanks for all the information. :)  This isn't easy is it??!!

The John Jones and family you mention in Bodyngharad Isa sound interesting.  On the 1851 census, IF I have the correct Edward Jones, his birth place is listed as (what looks to me like) Llanferrog (maybe Llanfwrog?) which could fit.

The baptism for an Edward on the IGI which I mentioned in an earlier message, has parents John and Elizabeth, and is at the Mwrog Street Particular Baptist - all information that would "fit" with the 1841 census information.

I suppose my best bet is to try and find the baptism I mention, and then see if I can link that with any of the siblings in the 1841 census.  In all the later census' I've found for "my" Edward, his given age indicates he was born in 1828/29.  I think the ages in the 1841 census are round up/down, so the one who was a servant in Mwrog St Llanfwrog could be the one I'm looking for.

Does all this make sense?  The other option is that this is the wrong family and I'm heading off down the wrong branch!!   ???

Janet
Skelly (Liverpool/Ayrshire/St Vincent)
Jones (Liverpool/Ruthin)
Mortimer (Wigan/Harrogate)
Dean (Leeds)
Wilmshurst (Liverpool/Deal)
Sides (Oswestry/Liverpool)

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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 27 February 08 00:17 GMT (UK) »
It isn't is it!
I suffer from the Jones problem and am struggling.
However you know Edward's father was John and a Smith. You know he is from Llanfwrog ( that is I think is what it says in 1851). Other children in the 1841 entry I found were baptised in the Mwrog Street chapel (David and Enoch as examples). There is an Elizabeth born after 1837 so it may be worth buying the birth cert. On the minus side there seems also to be another set of John & Elizabeth Jones in Clocaenog.
I think you may have to check all the baptisms with John & Elizabeth as parents and connect them to family names. Also do any of the wedding witnesses names coincide?
If you can find the death where was he living and who did the notification?

Hope that makes sense at this late hour.

Peter
Jones, Edwards, Davies, Owen, Benjamin , Hughes , Roberts,Thomas,Williams, Wynne , Griffiths, Howells, Rowlands etc etc
plus
Thomas,Trewren,Holmes,Thirlwall,Jones again & again
& more


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Re: Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin
« Reply #26 on: Monday 08 September 08 19:55 BST (UK) »
This is my first entry so this may even go into space  ;)

My grandmother in Heywood Lancashire was a Jane Jones b. 1868 Ruthin she had 10 siblings two born in Heywood 8 born in Ruthin.
ELLEN 1874,THOMAS A.1879 born in Heywood.

ELIZABETH 1869, MARY 1872, KATE 1871, ANN 1860, MARGARET 1862, JOHN 1858, ROBERT 1864, WILLIAM 1856, born in Ruthin.

Jane's parents were William Jones 1831 Llanfwrog and Ellenor ? 1834 Denbighshire

William Jone's 1831 siblings............Robert Jones 1821, David Jones 1834,
Enock Jones 1836, Elisabeth Jones 1838. all born in Llanfwrog

William Jones 1831 parents John Jones 1791 and Elisabeth ? 1796 both born in Llanfwrog.

I was wondering if you are able to help me with these people.

Thanking you in advance ....................Moe.
 
Jones...Llannfwrog, Ruthin, Denbighshire.
Ashton, Heywood, Lancashire, Stockport Cheshire.
Heap.....Heywood, Bolton, Lancashire.
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