Lees Family - ScotslandsPeople records help

[MonicaL]

Lots and lots of reasons why he may not appear on the OPRs: registers lost/destroyed over time, births never registered, family didn't belong to the Established Church of Scotland to which the OPRs pertain to.....

A possibility for Thomas's brother Oliver Jnr.'s marriage:

OLIVER LEES  Marriages: Spouse: JAN COOK    
Marriage: 18 OCT 1870  Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Oliver Lees Snr. is pretty easy find find on the censuses (he is the only one apart from son in 1851 and an Irish Oliver, his father, in 1841). This looks a high probability for him in 1841  :

Oliver Lees 60, H L W Damask, b. Ireland
Ann Lees 25
Oliver Lees 12
Thomas Lees 8
Margaret Lees 2
Jane Arthurs    50, b. Ireland
Bridget Doyle    40, b. Ireland
James Doyle    4
Marian McMelan    25

Address: Temple Close, Edinburgh Greyfriars

Monica

[MonicaL]

Both Irish Oliver and Oliver Snr. look to have died pre 1855. You will need to track the siblings who show (Thomas and Elizabeth) to verify mother's name. Maybe the Jane Arthurs b Ireland who shows in 1841 - hard to say. As you know, the 1841 census shows no relationships within the household.

Monica

[TunjiLees]

Oh my god... The Lees are of Irish descent! I know some relatives will cringe when they find out!

[TunjiLees]

Thanks again Monica , you've given me a lot of names to work with.

Here's my guesses at the relationships, input would be appreciated:

1851
Oliver Lees 20, Maton's Labourer, b. Dalkeith Edinburgh (Head)
Isabella Lees 23, b. Dalkeith Edinburgh (born Isabella Waldie, Wife)
Oliver Lees 1, b. Dalkeith Edinburgh (Son)
Elizabeth Lees    1 Mo, b. Dalkeith Edinburgh (Daughter)
Thomas Les 17, lodger, Draper's Apistant, b. Edinburgh (Brother)
Thomas Maun 17, lodger, Journeyman Baker, b. Edinburgh (?)
John Murray 29, lodger, Mason's Labourer, b. England (?)
Elizabeth Murray 28, lodger, wife, b. Edinburgh (?)
William Murray    1, b. Edinburgh (?)
Helen Waldie    20, Lodger, farm servant, b. Edinburgh (Sister of Wife maybe?)

For the 1841 census I'm at a loss...
The age gap between Ann and Margaret seems too great for them all to be Oliver's children. Unless he had two wives.

It does not seem likely that Jane Arthurs was his wife as the younger children are too young to be her offspring.

1841
LEES   Oliver   M   60   Hand Loom Weaver Damask    Ireland       
LEES   Ann   F   25       England       
LEES   Oliver   M   12       Midlothian       
LEES   Thomas   M   8       Midlothian       
LEES   Margaret   F   2       Midlothian       
BOYLE   Bridaget   F   40   Lodger    Ireland       
BOYLE   James   M   4       Outside Census County (1841)       
MCMELAN   Marian   F   25   Lodger    Outside Census County (1841)       
ARTHURS   Jane   F   50   Lodger    Ireland
Address: Temple Close

[sancti]

There is 1 record on SP for the 1851 census for an Oliver Lees with 2nd christian name of Isa*

1851 LEES OLIVER Male 20 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN

[TunjiLees]

There is 1 record on SP for the 1851 census for an Oliver Lees with 2nd christian name of Isa*

1851 LEES OLIVER Male 20 EDINBURGH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN

Of mother Isa*? Or Oliver Isa Lees?

[TunjiLees]

This Ann Lees in the 1851 census must be the same one as in the 1841 census (no one else is born in England), I have absoluetely no idea how she is related though. Or where her husband was for the 1841 census?

1851
LEES   Henry   Head   M   M   37   Servant (Butler)    Fife - Collessie       
LEES   Ann   Wife   M   F   32       England - -       
LEES   Alexander   Son   -   M   8   Scholar    Midlothian - Edinburgh       
LEES   Harriet   Dau   -   F   6   Scholar    Midlothian - Edinburgh       
LEES   Mary   Dau   -   F   4   Scholar    Argyllshire - Dunoon       
LEES   Henry   Son   -   M   2       Midlothian - Edinburgh       
LEES   Raymond E   Son   -   M   10m       Midlothian - Edinburgh

Address: 13 Charlorre Place

[TunjiLees]

ScotlandsPeople sent me a larger version of William's marriage certificate. The quality doesn't seem that much better...

This is what they told me for the witnesses:
"Witnesses are Toulalou ? Hennie Emile Gabriel, witness and Christina Colville, witness"

+ Is there any chance of someone doing a census lookup on the Lees family in 1871 please? Could be in Edinburgh, Dysart or Kirkcaldy...

Thanks

[MonicaL]

Going back to the original question  , from your original request:

Groom: William Lees (Bricklayer) Age 26 (Strathearn Rd)
Parents:
Thomas Lees (Bricklayer)
Christina Lees (Ms. McSwan)
Witnesses:
? ? ? Campbell
? ? ? Kirkcaldy
? ? ? ? ? ?

Bride: Helen Currie (Weaver/Spinster) Age 24 (189 Links St)
Parents:
David Currie (Printer)
Margaret Currie (Ms. Hunter)
Witnesses:
? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ?

I think the various suggestions already made look to be accurate:

Ist: John Campbell, xx of Manse of Kirkcaldy (makes sense as this is where the marriage took place). may have officiated the marriage?
2nd: Can't make out first name at all - doesn't look English, maybe french?. Surname something like Herve, Hervie, Henrie
3rd: Emile Gabrielle as has been said
4th: Christina Colville as has also been suggested.

I would go back to SP and tell them it is still illegible and could they either have a look at it themselves and give you their view or send out a paper copy to see whether the legibility is improved.

Monica