Wise Family of Maidstone

[Scott Thompson]

I agree. A vet sounds grander than horse footcare specialist!
Scott

[Scott Thompson]

Hello again!
I have finally obtained the birth cert of Emily Jane Wise.
She was born August 17th 1838 at Union Street, East Maidstone, Kent. Her father was a cattle doctor named William Wise and her Mother was Mary Ann Dye.
So we have, Mary Ann Dye, born about 1811 (in Boxley, Kent) , marrying a vet named William Wise who is 30+ years her senior.
They have there first child Mary Susanna when Mary Ann is about 17 years old, followed by Henry, Ann Hannah, Elizabeth Rebecca, our Emily Jane, and John. Sadly William dies probably in Dec 1843 (seems likely as at least two of his children are born in Newington) and Mary Ann Wise becomes Mary Ann Buck in 1846 when she marries Arthur Buck, a man apparently 7 years her junior. They go on to have several more children. The only reasonable date for Mary Ann Bucks death is March 1887 Camberwell  vol 1d  page 575 aged 76.
Does this seem plausible or can anyone shoot holes in it?
Scott

[casalguidi]

Hi Scott

It looks ok to me though you don't mention son William WISE bc1836/1837 (1841 census) - I wonder if this could be him ie. born Newington, Kent:

Possible ............

1861 vessel "Trafalgar"

Wm WISE private Royal Marines unm 22yrs 10m b.Newington Kent
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1881 - 2 Napier Road, Gillingham, Kent

William C WISE head mar 44 cowkeeper & milkman b.Newington Kent
Hannah wife 31 b.Ditton Kent

RG11/892 folio 55 page 4
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1891 - 46 Napier Road, Gillingham, Kent

William C WISE head mar 54 dairyman b.Newington Kent
Hannah wife 41 b.Ditton Kent

RG12/662 folio 10 page 1
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William Charles WISE married Hannah PLEDGE 1876 http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

In case you hadn't already found it, here is the marriage of Mary Ann WISE (widow) to Arthur BUCK at Holy Trinity, Milton nr Gravesend 22 March 1846
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03so/
Possibly some confusion in that her father is stated as William WISE, publican

Could the mother's surname on Emily Jane's birth certificate read PYE rather than DYE?  There is a marriage William WISE to Mary Ann PYE at Leeds nr Maidstone 1828 which would fit http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/index.php

I suppose the 1887 Camberwell death could be her if you can't locate any other options - did she have family in that area?

Have you found any confirmation that William WISE was that much older from a source other than the 1841 census yet?

Casalguidi

[Scott Thompson]

Well Casalguidi, you have stumped me!
Sorry about the omission of Emily's older sibling. He must have joined the marines at a young age (as they did).
As for her birth cert, it could easily be read as Pye and considering your find at Mid Kent Marriages it most likely is!
As to the confusion of Mary Ann's father on the Buck/Wise marriage cert... It could be that the William Wise on the 1841 Census was her father-in-law and perhaps thought of him as her father. She herself could have been a widow in 1841. Her husband, William Wise Jr (presumably) could have died shortly before the birth of his last child John Wise.
There are no connections, that I am aware, to Camberwell for her death. I have based it on proximity since the only other real option is the East End of London.
I have been unable to get any confirmation as to the age difference between William and Mary, so conjecture abound!
Scott

[barry jan]

looking for parents of henry wise born 20/4/1823 erith  kent married to eliza shorter 12/1/1845 he died 21/2/1869 result of an accident

[lucygomes]

Hi, Mary Anne Dye (or is it Pye) and Arthur Buck were my g g grandparents. I’ve got a lot of them in my Ancestry tree and only discovered this thread when googling Morden St Rochester just now!

I have:
William Wise 1776-1843
Mary Anne Pye / Dye  1805-87
Arthur Buck 1818-85

I have 8 x Wise children and 6 x Buck

I need to read this thread properly as it may fill some gaps but feel free to let me know what you need

[samwise]

Hello!! I am part of the Wise family, it seems! I did some late night searching and found my dads name on some obscure website, then seeing it led back to this!

It’s really cool!!! We go by Newington-Wise now, not just wise.