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Re: 1891 Lookup Request Please
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 16:22 GMT (UK) »
In 1841 Sarah Lock is in Limpsfield with 2 sons  Edward and William.
There is this death reg

Deaths Sep 1840 
LOCK  William    Godstone  4 19

and Sarah remarries in Dec 1843 see IGI and Free BMD to Alexander Kimber

In the 1851 census she is with Alexander, 4 Kimber children and William Lock aged 11 who is described as illegitimate.  The oldest Kimber child is George aged 6. Edward Lock is with his maternal grandparents.

It seems unlikely that Ann would have fitted into this family.

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I will check out Thomas and Hester
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Re: 1891 Lookup Request Please
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 16:31 GMT (UK) »
In 1851 in Godstone Village there is a family transcribed as Jark but it looks like Lock to me.

Thomas Head Mar 47 Stone Merchant's Labourer b Surrey Boxted
Esther Wife Mar 37 b Surrey (not sure of town)
Anne Dau 6 b Surrey Godstone
Mary Jane Dau 4 b Surrey Godstone

Ref is HO107 1600 f 94

This ties up with the birth cerificate you have.

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Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

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Re: 1891 Lookup Request Please
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 16:47 GMT (UK) »
In 1861 Thomas and Esther plus Mary Jane and another daughter 8 year old Esther are still in Godstone Village.
A 16 year old Annie Lock is a visitor in the Papp household in Nutfield.  She is a needleworker.
In 1871 Thomas, wife Esther and daughter Annie are in Bletchingley.  Annie is 26 and a dressmaker.
More to follow.

Looks as though Thomas was born Oxted and Esther his wife in Horne
Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

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Re: 1891 Lookup Request Please
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 17:03 GMT (UK) »
In 1881 Esther is a widow and Annie is living with her.  There is also a Boarder aged 6, Bertha S Kent b Bletchingley.
In 1891 Annie is still in Godstone.  She is at the bottom of the census page and I cannot see who is with her as the next page of the census is missing!
In 1901 Annie is in the Alms Houses in Godstone.

So, we now have full details of the Annie b Godstone 1844 daughter of Thomas and Esther.
She is obviously a different person from the Ann Lock who is a ladies maid in 1881 and states she was born in Limpsfield.
I cannot find this Limpsfield Ann on any other census and nor can we find a birth registration.
This indicates that she may have changed her name or that she appears on the census before 1871 under a different name.  This often happens if the mother remarries.

Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

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Re: 1891 Lookup Request Please
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 17:35 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Barbara

All I know is that Ann Lock was unmarried in 1871 and 1881 and was lady's maid to the family of Viscount Strathallen's.  She may have been working for another Scottish family in 1867 when she had the affair as the fairly well-off Muirhead family were the ones paying for the upkeep of her child.

I agree that there might have been a marriage between 1861 and 1871 of whoever Ann Lock's mother was to a Mr Lock unless there has been another surname mistranscription and Ann Lock is lurking again somewhere under the name Jark or similar... and then what about after the 1881 census?  Perhaps I should start ordering marriage certificates.
Chambers of Newmarket/E. Camb.s, Wrenn, Elphick & Culpep(p)er of E. Suss., Buxton of Essex, Tucker of Appledore, Dobbs of Bideford, Morgan of Laugharne, Cordell of Hertfordshire, Gooch & Rix & Tuthill & maybe de Bohun of S. Norfolk etc ;-) Small, Acome, Johnson Bavin, Catlin, Sansom, Pitkin of W. Herts/Bucks, Churchman of Ned. then Hamps/Berks, Gayler of Shoreditch, Barnes of Chertsey/Staines, Goldsmith of Westm/Sussex, Lock of Limpsfield, Found & Gowman of Morwenstow

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Re: 1891 Lookup Request Please
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 17:46 GMT (UK) »
Difficult to know where to go with this.

Would it be worth checking on the Strathallen family, in particular Frances M Drummond to see if Ann stayed as her ladies maid?

Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

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Re: 1891 Lookup Request Please
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 13 February 08 17:59 GMT (UK) »
Can any one find then Frances Mary Drummond in 1891 (age 42)

1901: this household: Frances  Drummond 53 Scotland London St George Hanover Square

and please tell me is Ann Lock still her lady's maid?
Chambers of Newmarket/E. Camb.s, Wrenn, Elphick & Culpep(p)er of E. Suss., Buxton of Essex, Tucker of Appledore, Dobbs of Bideford, Morgan of Laugharne, Cordell of Hertfordshire, Gooch & Rix & Tuthill & maybe de Bohun of S. Norfolk etc ;-) Small, Acome, Johnson Bavin, Catlin, Sansom, Pitkin of W. Herts/Bucks, Churchman of Ned. then Hamps/Berks, Gayler of Shoreditch, Barnes of Chertsey/Staines, Goldsmith of Westm/Sussex, Lock of Limpsfield, Found & Gowman of Morwenstow

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Re: 1891 Lookup Request Please
« Reply #16 on: Friday 15 February 08 12:37 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to take so long coming back to you on this but I wanted to check The Times Digital Archive for information on Frances Mary Drummond (the link was not available yesterday for some reason).
In the obituary for Viscount Strathallan in January 1886 his daughter Frances Mary Drummond is Maid of Honour  to the Queen.
Also in Jan 1947 the death of Frances Mary Drummond, formerly Maid of Honour  to Queen Victoria, is announced.
In 1901 there are 2 ladies maids in the household of Mariana and Frances Drummond: Alice Foreman 37 b London and Annie Crawley 24 b St Albans.
I will recheck 1891.

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Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

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Re: 1891 Lookup Request Please
« Reply #17 on: Friday 15 February 08 12:44 GMT (UK) »
In 1891 Frances Mary is living in Eaton Place.  No ladies maid recorded and no other servant fitting your Ann' description.

Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk