McGregor family ..Scotland to Canada

[AMBLY]

BIRTH:
Glenn Ward McGREGOR - Registered in Cty of Lambton, Ontario
Born 20 Jul 1901 - parents: Frank McGREGOR and Edith THOMAS

CENSUS US  1930: Detroit City, Wayne Cty, Michigan
Head: Glenn W McGREGOR age 28, a Stationers Bookeeoer (unmarried??) enumerator has had a bit of a re-write/scribble over this one so may not be "Single") . He is head of a rented house - and he lives with: sster Josephine 27, unmarried a Stenographer - and their mother Edith McGREGOR 53, Do (for Divorced). It states they all immigrated to US in 1928.

DIVORCE CANADA
Info and Links to Databases here:
http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/divorce.shtml
I've checked both dB and can''t find anything..... they may have divorced in US but also have to be prepared for the fact they never did divorce and that Franklin never actually legally married his 2nd wife.

BORDER CROSS to US - Edith 1912
Well pretty sure it's her - despite middlle initial...
Edith M McGREGOR, 35, born Ridgetown Ontario, a Practical Nurse,  living in Bothwell Ontario. Crosses into US via Detroit MI. She says she has been to US before : 1908 to 1909 to Toledo, Ohio. This time she is going to join her sister, Mrs Ada TERRY of 1919 East 55th St, Chicago Illinois. Her contact in Canada is her father, Mr Henry THOMAS of Dant, Ontario.  Edith is described as 5'3", Fair skin, Brown hair and Blue eyes.

BORDER CROSS to US  - Edith 1927
Edith Orilla T McGREGOR age 49 yrs and 9 mths, b Ridgetown Ontario
Travelling alone.
Last permanent Residence: Windsor Ontario
Going to: Billings, Montana to visit her daughter: Josephine McGREGOR who lives there.
Her contact in Canada is her Daughter Ruth McGREGOR of Sandwich, (Windsor), Ontario. Edith is now 5'1". med complexion, Dk Brown Haair & Blue Eyes.

BORDER CROSS to US - Glenn W McGREGOR  1929 -  his mother Edith is his contact in Windsor Ontario. His age as stated here as 25 yrs & 10 mths.

Cheers
AMBLY

[deb usa]

Hi Deb & Monica
Thanks Monica    I'm hoping if I can collect enough Canadian data, you might be able to work your magic and find  them out in Scotland 

I have just realised, Deb - that on the 1901 Canada Census, where Frank and Edith are newly married, living with his parents James & Lydia - that James states his birth as 14 Aug 1823, not 1826 as is stated on that website link of Lydia's family. He is also stated to have immigrated in 1832.  This would infer he immigrated as a child and therefore his parents and perhaps some siblings, did also - and either to Canada or to Michigan. This would also mean, his parents are possibly never going to be found on any Scots census.

Hi Ambly 

Thanks again ...for all your hard work.

The change in James' DOB is quite a find ...I wonder why no-one else has picked up on it.?    added  ....It still does not match with what Monica has found , although her info states that they are christenings and not the actual birthdate.
Would we be able to spot his parents in any of the censuses ?

deb 

[MonicaL]

These are the only two couples (father Donald and mother Margaret) showing on the OPRs as having children including a James in the OPRs between 1815-30 in Perthshire. Not a 100% method, it could be that James's OPR birth/christening doesn't show or his siblings show but not his.  As always, this part is frustrating.

To Donald McGREGOR and Margaret DUNN:

1. DUNCAN MCGREGOR  Christening: 23 FEB 1823 Comrie, Perth, Scotland
2. JAMES MCGREGOR Christening: 26 AUG 1824 Comrie, Perth, Scotland
3. GREGOR MCGREGOR Christening: 03 SEP 1826 Comrie, Perth, Scotland
4. PETER MCGREGOR Birth: 07 MAY 1829/  Christening: 25 MAY 1829 Comrie, Perth, Scotland

To Donald McGREGOR and Margaret MACFARLANE:

1. JAMES MACGREGOR  Birth: 19 DEC 1825/ Christening: 25 DEC 1825 Perth, Perth, Scotland
2. MARGARET MACGREGOR Birth: 19 MAR 1827/ Christening: 25 MAR 1827 Perth, Perth, Scotland
4. DONALD MACGREGOR  Birth: 27 DEC 1829/ Christening: 10 JAN 1830 Perth, Perth, Scotland
5. CHRISTIAN MACGREGOR  Birth: 23 MAR 1832/ Christening: 15 APR 1832 Perth, Perth, Scotland

Monica 

[deb usa]

Hi Monica

Thanks, once again, for taking the time.
It seems that the 2nd family did their christening shortly after the births of their children.

As far as the first family with Margaret Dunn ... His older brother, Duncan, was born 23 feb 1823 ,....which would only allow 7 months for 'our' James to be born ie: 14 Aug 1823.

James and Lydia's children's names also do not provide any clues with the exception of , Nellie Grant McGregor, Franklin's younder sister.

arrghhhhh    where do we go from here ?

deb 

[MonicaL]

Deb

To be honest, I'm not focusing so hard on the precise dates for James birth given how these can vary over the years. The Margaret Dunn family certainly is the closest so far (that date for Duncan is a christening date so not clear what his birth month would have been). 

I don't know what the early censuses in Canada are like and when they start from. If James states he left Scotland c. 1832, the dream ticket is to find him with family in these early years.

I get frustrated at this stage because I haven't got access to these censuses and have to sit on my hands for this bit!

Monica 

[KarenM]

I don't know what the early censuses in Canada are like and when they start from.

The 1851 Census for Canada East and Canada West (Ontario & Quebec), New Brunswick and Nova Scotia is availab.e

If you go to www.allcensusrecords.com you can see what earlier census are available, but they are hit and miss.

Karen

[AMBLY]

Hi Deb
Have the deaths of Lydia and James........

DEATH - Lydia McGREGOR nee OUTHOUSE
In Division of Euphemia in County of Lambton, Ontario
Lydia McGREGOR  died  19 Jul 1914, age 73 years, 10 mths and 12 days.
A widowed Farmers wife, died of Pernicious Anaemia
Was born: Bothwell Ontario
Died at: address: Lot 16, Concession 3 (This is a description of their Farm holding I think)
Her parents named as William OUTHOUSE and Lydia OUTHOUSE (differs from the website which said her parents were Joseph OUTHOUSE and Elizabeth McDIARMIND!)
Informant was her son, Alex McGREGOR of Bothwell Ontario.

DEATH - James McGREGOR
In Division of Euphemia in County of Lambton, Ontario
James McGREGOR age 77, a married Farmer, died 18 May 1904, of Lot 16, Concession 3
He was born Scotland. COD was Heart Disease. Religion: Presbyterian
(This record format has no provision for information regarding parents)
(This age at death brings his DOB back to ca1827)

Some links for Lambton County
http://www.lambtonogs.org/
http://www.lambtonogs.org/cemetaries-euphemia.html
http://www.geneofun.on.ca/db.php?database=cgwcems&&index=12715&template=cgwcems-showON.html

Looks like James and Lydia are buried in - or at least mentioned on a headstone or burial record -of Fansher Cemetery
Names associated with the Fansher United cemetery Euphemia Township  Concession 4 lot 17
MCGREGOR  ,  Freddie  Roy 
MCGREGOR  ,  Grace  (Tinney) 
MCGREGOR  ,  James 
MCGREGOR  ,  Louisa  Maud 
MCGREGOR  ,  Lydia 
MCGREGOR  ,  Margaret 
MCGREGOR  ,  Wallace 

It looks as if though, there are 2 Fansher Cemeteries in the area - and that the McGREGOR's above are associated with the Florence one:--

http://webhome.idirect.com/~griffish/gene/cem/cemf.html
FANCHER UNITED CHURCH CEMETERY
TOWNSHIP OF EUPHEMIA
R.R. #2
BOTHWELL
N0P 1C0
519-695-2312
LOT 18, CONC. 3
ACTIVE

FANSHER UNITED CHURCH CEMETERY
FANSHER CEMETERY BOARD
R. R. #2
FLORENCE
N0P 1R0
519-695-5732
LOT 17, CONC. 4
ACTIVE

A headstone incscription may or may not further the search for James' background.

Another link:
http://www.lambtonogs.org/census.html

Cheers
AMBLY

[deb usa]

Ambly

Thanks .... 

you have been great ... so further to James b Scotland ...we have several years for his year of birth ...

1824
1826
1827

So both James' with Margaret as mother and Donald as dad ..could be correct ...arrggghhhh ...none of the names give give us clues .... except for the really out there ones ...like Wellington ... LOL

re; Lydia's mother's name ...maybe Alex was distraught ...or person receiving info got confused ?

deb ....

Ps ...Hi karen ... thanks 

[KarenM]

Hey Deb, long time no chat 

Marriage Registration for:

Malcolm McGregor
Age:  23
Residence when married:  Euphemina
Place of birth:  Canada
Bachelor
Occupation:  farmer
Parents:  James & Lydia McGregor

Susan Stacey
Age:  22
Residence when married:  Dover
Place of birth:  Canada
Spinster
Parents:   James & Mary Stacey

Names & Addresses of Witnesses:  George Bishop, Dover

Date of Marriage:  Sept. 26, 1888, Dover
Religion of both:  Methodist
County of Kent, Division of Dover
Reg. NO. 005614

Karen