*Completed*Any sign of Abel Frederic GAUTHIER in Quebec?

[Philcandy]

Can anyone spot Abel Frederic GAUTHIER - a career diplomat - and his wife Juliana GAUTHIER (nee LASCELLES) in Census or other records in Quebec?

He was born about 1807 in France; she in 1824 in England. They were married in Gibraltar about 1847 and had at least four children, including a son Frederic, born about 1849 in Gibraltar, who later became a Captain in the Canadian Army.


The family arrived in 1864 from a posting in Singapore, and Abel retired in 1872 (at the age of 65). I imagine that they retired to Canada, but census records would help enormously.

Any sightings would be very welcome.

Kind regards

Philip Candy

[jorose]

http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=3694330 - page 208 onwards in particular - page 210 has some info on his children, who they married, etc. In French.

I saw some suggestions that he actually died in England on the net - there's an Abel Frederic Gautier on freebmd.rootsweb.com, died 1878. Age is off a little.

[Philcandy]

This is brilliant. Many thanks - I don't think one could hope for a better launching pad for researching this particular family.

The fact that, following his retirement, Abel and his wife set off for Europe looks pretty compelling, and indeed I have found his widow in London in the 1881 Census, under the spelling GAUTIER. Both of his daughters - Edith and Alice - are there as well, so the 1878 death in Marylebone must surely be right.

Thanks so much for this very useful link.

Kind regards

Philip Candy

[jorose]

A few bits more from the Times:

The Times, Wednesday, Feb 07, 1883; pg. 1; Issue 30737; col A
Marriages
 On the 18th Jan, at Riviere Ouelle, Quebec, Canada, Frederic Gautier ,Esq, son of the late Frederick Gautier, Consul-General of France, Grand Officier de la Legion d'Honneur, &c, to Aimee, daughter of the late Hon. Letellier de St. Just, Lieut-Governor of Lower Canada.

The Times, Tuesday, Jan 19, 1886; pg. 1; Issue 31660; col A
Deaths
At Winnipeg, Manitoba, Arthur de Fitz-Gerald Gautier, younger son of the late F. Gautier, Esq, Consul-General of France, aged 36. (by cable)

The Times, Saturday, Jul 20, 1889; pg. 1; Issue 32756; col A
Marriages
On the 17th inst, at Singleton, by the Rev L. Wood, Vicar, Walter, only son of T. Kirby, Esq, Prescott, Canada, to Edith Lascelles, younger daughter of the late Frederick Gautier, Consul-General of France.

[Philcandy]

Wow, what a distinguished family!

The information has helped me to fill in a gap in this research; indeed, it has allowed me to locate Juliana Charlotte GAUT(H)IER not only in England in 1881, but also in Canada in 1901!

Thanks so much for these extremely helpful additional references from Canada AND England.

Kind regards

Philip Candy

[Philcandy]

A few bits more from the Times:

The Times, Wednesday, Feb 07, 1883; pg. 1; Issue 30737; col A
Marriages
<snip>

The Times, Tuesday, Jan 19, 1886; pg. 1; Issue 31660; col A
Deaths
<snip>The Times, Saturday, Jul 20, 1889; pg. 1; Issue 32756; col A

Marriages
<snip>

Given these various mentions of the family at home and abroad, is there any reference in The Times to the death of Abel Frederic GAUT(H)IER himself in 1878, or his widow Juliana Charlotte GAUT(H)IER (nee Lascelles), perhaps in Winnipeg after 1901?

Kind regards

Philip Candy

[jorose]

Wasn't coming up under Gauther/Gautier, but I tried searching for 'Consul-General of France', as that is how he's usually referred to:

The Times, Saturday, Mar 09, 1878; pg. 1; Issue 29198; col A
Deaths
On the 7th inst, at 48, Bryanston-street, W., Abel Frederic Gautier, for many years Consul-General of France in California, Canada, &c.

No entry for Juliana, but by then most of the family had probably left England.  http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php - seems not to be working again (search for Smiths to test it), but you might be able to find the family here.

[waiteohman]

Hello Philip

Here is the marriage transcribed for Frederic:

Rivière-Ouelle Paroisse de l'Assomption, Co. Kamouraska, Québec, 1883, quatrième feuillet

M5 Frédéric Emond Gautier et M. Aimée Letellier de S Just
Le dix huit janvier mil huit cent quatre-vingt trois vu la dispense de deux bans accordée pour le paroisse de la Rivière-Ouelle et celle de trois bans accordée pour la ville de Winnipeg dans le diocise de S Boniface par Monseigneur Elzéar Alexandre Faschereau archevêque de Québec et vicaire Général du diocise de S Boniface en date du treize du présent mois, et en la publication de l'autre ban faites au prône de notre messe paroissiale entre Frédéric Edmond Gautier Ecuier domicilié en la dite ville de Winnipeg, fils majeur de Sieur Abel Frédéric Gautier et de Dame Julianna Catherine Lascelles d'une part, et Demoiselle Marie Aimée Letellier de S Just domicilié en cette paroisse, fille majeure de feu l'Honourable de Luc Letellier de S Just et de feue Dame Eugénie Laurent d'autre part, ne d'étant découvert aucun empêchements, nous soussigné Chapelain du Convent de Sillery dûment autorisé par Messine E.V. Dion curé de cette paroisse, avons reçu leur mutuel consentement de mariage et leur avons donné la bénédiction nuptiale en présence de Philippe Baby Casgrain Ecuier Avocat de Québec M.P. pour le Comité de L'Islet, amilde l'époux et <consu_> de l'épouse, de Charles Letellier de S Just Ecuier oncle de l'épouse et de plusieurs autres parents et amis qui <soussigné> les époux ont signé avec nous, lecture faites

<numerous signatures>

S Boniface = St Boniface
S Just = St Just

Linda

[Philcandy]

Wasn't coming up under Gauther/Gautier, but I tried searching for 'Consul-General of France', as that is how he's usually referred to:

The Times, Saturday, Mar 09, 1878; pg. 1; Issue 29198; col A
Deaths
On the 7th inst, at 48, Bryanston-street, W., Abel Frederic Gautier, for many years Consul-General of France in California, Canada, &c.

No entry for Juliana, but by then most of the family had probably left England.  http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php - seems not to be working again (search for Smiths to test it), but you might be able to find the family here.

Thanks so much for this. It is a clever bit of lateral thinking - the Optical Character Recognition software is still a bit ropey, and doesn't always read words accurately.

I did manage to find Juliana Gautier in Winnipeg Censuses (with her son Frederic) in both 1901 and 1906, but not 1911. Presumably her death will be there somewhere - she would have been 81 in 1906.

Many thanks once again for all your help.

Kind regards

Philip Candy