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Offline aghadowey

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Re: John Neeson of 4 Ballybollen Road
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 02 April 17 08:49 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately Margie hasn't been online since 2004 and her email address is no longer working.

Since 2004 lots of new Irish resources have come online (many of them free).

There's a Titus Neeson (age 50) died 1874 Ballymena district (too young to be John's father) but also a Titus Nesson, age 81, died 1897 (so born c1816). Of course, a Titus Neeson could have died before the start of civil registration of deaths in 1864. There are actually a lot of men called Titus Neeson in Co. Antrim over the years and for the dates you need it may be difficult to find the correct one.

Have you tried searching for the Neesons in Bellaghy church records?
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Re: John Neeson of 4 Ballybollen Road
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 12:44 BST (UK) »
I have been working on the Neesons of Aughtercloney and surrounding townlands for years and particularly over the past month for my wife and another Neeson in England. My wife's great grandmother was a Neeson and I live in Aughtercloney. I have a Neeson chart compiled about 1910-20 by some of my wife's ancestors which shows the lineage from Titus Neeson and wife (probably mid-1700s). The family and their relations, in-laws, are a nightmare to place and trace because many of the same Christian names were used from generation to generation and intermarriages took place e.g. Neeson marrying Neeson 2nd cousins etc. If I can be of help, I'll try.

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Re: John Neeson of 4 Ballybollen Road
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 30 September 21 12:49 BST (UK) »

A slightly belated welcome to RootsChat, TD  :)

Do you spell it as Aughtercloney where you live, because here's Aughterclooney townland in the civil parish of Ahoghill.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/ahoghill/cloghogue/aughterclooney/

Here's all the Neesons in Aughterclooney in the 1911 census.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qyt/

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Re: John Neeson of 4 Ballybollen Road
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 03 October 21 13:27 BST (UK) »

A slightly belated welcome to RootsChat, TD  :)

Do you spell it as Aughtercloney where you live, because here's Aughterclooney townland in the civil parish of Ahoghill.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/ahoghill/cloghogue/aughterclooney/

Here's all the Neesons in Aughterclooney in the 1911 census.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qyt/

KG

I have also seen it in records as Watercloney.
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Re: John Neeson of 4 Ballybollen Road
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 03 October 21 14:21 BST (UK) »

A slightly belated welcome to RootsChat, TD  :)

Do you spell it as Aughtercloney where you live, because here's Aughterclooney townland in the civil parish of Ahoghill.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/ahoghill/cloghogue/aughterclooney/

Here's all the Neesons in Aughterclooney in the 1911 census.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qyt/

KG

I have also seen it in records as Watercloney.

Seem to be a lot of old form variations, Elwyn

http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=5092


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Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: John Neeson of 4 Ballybollen Road
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 03 October 21 17:27 BST (UK) »
I have searched birth/baptism records for John Neeson and Jane Mulholland in Ahoghill and neighbouring parishes as well as a general search in various genealogical sites without success.
1.   John’s father was also John but I don’t know his mother’s name. There was a John Neeson, born 1829 in Aughterclooney, who married a Catherine Laverty in May 1856 but they sailed for Australia on 11 Nov 1856 and had a son John born 1877 (she was 44 at the time). So they are not the above John’s parents.
2.   Another John, born 1876, married Catherine Neeson, born 1882. They went to England. His father, also John, son of Titus Neeson (2nd) and Betty Devlin, married Mary Mulholland 29 Nov 1873.
3.   Another John, born 1834, son of James Neeson of Ballybollen, born 1786, and Rose Mulholland. His DOB would tie in with having a child in 1864. James (uncle of Titus 2nd) was the son of Titus Neeson (1st) and Susan Hardy which is as far back as I can go.

This brings me to Ballybollen and Griffith’s Valuation of 1862. Numbers on the valuation refer to properties on Griffith’s map occupied by tenants of a landlord and may not be in any particular order. They’re also hard to make out on the original maps. They are not house or road numbers so, for example, no 4 in Ballybollen townland is not 4 Ballybollen Road. The townland straddles several different roads so access to the property could be from a completely different road. Another complication is that part of Ballybollen is in Ahoghill parish, the other part in Drummaul parish. So a 4 in one parish and a 4 in the other in the same townland could be close together with the parish boundary between them.

John Neeson of Ballybollen lived at property No.4 on 3 roods of ground (not even a farm) in Ahoghill parish. Access was via the Clooney Road. His father James had a farm of 16 acres but no house at property No.4 in Ballybollen in Drummaul parish about half a mile distant. Access was via the Ballybollen Road. So it can be quite complicated to identify your ancestor’s homesteads and Griffith’s online maps don’t even show the properties for Ballybollen.

The John Neeson (born 1829) who married Catherine Laverty (sometimes Lafferty) was the son of Paddy Neeson and Nancy Darragh. Paddy was the brother of the above Titus Neeson 2nd . According to the Australian Neeson family tree Catherine was the daughter of James Laverty and Rose McIlhatton, Ballyscullion. Just to confuse matters, there is another James Lafferty and wife Rose Scullen, Ballyscullion, who had a daughter Catherine born on 12 Feb 1865.
All the Neesons of Aughterclooney and surrounding townlands stem from Titus 1st. The townland had many variations in spelling since the early 1600s. The main ones are Watercloney, Aughtercloney and Aughterclooney. They're all derived from the Gaelic language and mean the same thing. Today it's just called Cloney.

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Re: John Neeson of 4 Ballybollen Road
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 05 October 21 23:17 BST (UK) »
I live in Ahoghill so I know the area. Up until the roads were named, probably around 1975 the spelling was Aughtercloney. After that time what I knew as the Cloney Road was renamed the Clooney Road. The Ballybollan Road confused me as it was only named as such around 1975, before than we only talked about townlands, an address could have been Ballybollan, Ahoghill. I was very friendly with a man who was very much into Irish and townlands etc. He told me that when the Government was naming roads etc they went back into the Irish language but many of their spellings were wrong. I know of one road which has one spelling at one end and a different spelling at the other end.

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Re: John Neeson of 4 Ballybollen Road
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 10 October 21 14:52 BST (UK) »
Agree, the reference to Ballybollen would be to the townland only in 1864, no house or road names existed till 1970's.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/ahoghill/cloghogue/ballybollen/
http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=5124

Further to the Drifter's comments the coloured maps on Askabout Ireland are some 10-20 years later than the printed books, the originals can be accessed in PRONI and later map revisions. One can come across numbers on the printed Griffiths that do not show on the coloured map for the same entry. But people never knew of or referred to these numbers, they were often illiterate and were for official tax purposes only. They are handy for us today as enable us to match a name in a Townland with specific fields & house.
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2018/11/05/more-maps-than-you-can-shake-a-stick-at/
For the Republic counties only FindMyPast has a separate collection entitled Griffith's Surveys Maps and Plans, 1847-1864 apparently of the original maps but are faint black and white images.

EDIT: didn't look at date of 1st post, see now was 2004

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Re: John Neeson of 4 Ballybollen Road
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 10 October 21 14:56 BST (UK) »
If you look up Ballybollen (Ahoghill) on this site, you'll find about 20 different spellings over the years:

http://www.placenamesni.org/index.php
Elwyn