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One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« on: Tuesday 11 March 08 13:16 GMT (UK) »
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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 19:08 GMT (UK) »


Well Mr Ken .... it doesn't take much to make me happy !!  ;D ..... but I am so excited !!

I've spent some time at the Western History library today and I've found out a lot !! .....

I have to go back tomorrow ... when I can spend a bit more time ... ( I think I'd better pack a lunch !!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ) but just for starters to whet your appetite here's a picture and I'll try and write the other stuff up tonight !!


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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 21:28 GMT (UK) »

I've found out that the reason I couldn't find his grave at Mount Olivet is because - the grave  was reopened - the casket removed and reburied in another cemetery in 1909 !! ( this was done at the insistence of a daughter for religious reasons ) .............

( Also - the picture is as it was in the original newspaper - a bit dark I'm afraid ! )

"Taps" the "lights out" of the soldier was sounded this morning over the grave of Alexander Sutherland the bugler of the Light Brigade who gave the signal for the immortal charge at the Battle of Balaklava. With military honours the remains of the venerable soldier and musician was laid to rest in Mount Olivet cemetery

Funeral services were held at the church of the Sacred Heart at 10.30am The procession from the church to the cemetery was an imposing sight . In the lead was a band and behind the hearse followed a riderless horse fully equipped with military saddle and bridle
The body was guarded by a detachment of militia in full uniform
At the cemetery after the final words had been spoken there was a volley of musketry and "taps" was sounded as the earth fell upon the casket
The bugle which Mr Alexander carried in the Crimean was buried with him. The casket was draped in American flags and was covered with a profusion of flowers
Old friends of the musician who had known him since the early days of Denver acted as pall bearers

http://www.archden.org/component/option,com_parish/taskpar,showparish/p,133/Itemid,757/
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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 23:22 GMT (UK) »
It's looking a bit empty here Annie.  ;D ;D ;D

I've been a bit distracted by English geography the last couple of days.  :D

A rather graphic account of the first to fall: Captain Louis Nolan, 15th Hussars
Originally from Cecil Woodham-Smith in "The Reason Why" and para-phrased by Edward J Dodson in "The Light Brigade, England's Charge Borne on Ireland's Back"
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/dodson_england_and_ireland_and_crimean_war.html

"Before the Light Brigade had advanced fifty yards......the Russian guns crashed out and great clouds of smoke rose at the end of the valley..... The advance was proceeding at a steady trot when suddenly Nolan....urged on his horse and began to gallop diagonally across the front......he crossed in front of Lord Cardigan and, turning in his saddle, shouted and waved his sword as if he would address the Brigade, but the guns were firing with great crashes and not a word could be heard. At that moment a Russian shell burst on the right of Lord Cardigan and a fragment tore it's way into Nolan's breast, exposing his heart. The sword fell from his hand, but his arm was still erect and his body remained rigid in the saddle. His horse wheeled and began to gallop back through the advancing Brigade and then from the body there burst a strange and appalling cry, a shriek so unearthly as to freeze the blood of all who heard him. The terrified horse carried the body, still shrieking, through the 4th Light Dragoons and then at last Nolan fell from the saddle dead."


The obituary of Captain Lewis (sic) Edward Nolan, from the London Illustrated News, 25th November 1854, oblivious at the time of the controversy which would surround him:

http://www.silverwhistle.co.uk/crimea/obituary.html


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Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 23:46 GMT (UK) »


Apparently Nolan had a terrible death ..... ! :-\

OK here's something else I got today !! ... not sure about my scanning though !!  ::)


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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 23:47 GMT (UK) »


Apparently Nolan had a terrible death ..... ! :-\

OK here's something else I got today !! ... not sure about my scanning though !!  ::)





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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 00:02 GMT (UK) »


A feature story in the Denver Post on Nov 8th 1904 told of Mr Sutherlands impending death and reviewed the life of "the bugler of the Light Brigade "

At the close of the Crimean War - he came to America with British troops and received his discharge from the army at Quebec ( isn't that Canada ?? ) He went first to New York and in 1869 (? I've seen 1861 too !) came to Denver

He was always devoted to his music and as Colorado grew in population he spent his time principally in giving musical instruction - he was also interested in mining and was successful.

The aged musician is widely known - not only in Denver where he has made his home for almost half a century - but in England. ..........
There he is remembered as a young man and King Edward himself - recently sent a letter informing Mr Sutherland - that a handsome "silver bugle"had been dispatched to him - as a mark of regard because he had played at the Coronation of his mother Queen Victoria .........

Interesting !
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 00:29 GMT (UK) »


In a published interview uncovered by Edgar C McMechen curator of the Colorado State Museum ... Sutherland was quoted as saying ...

" I sounded the charge but I never blew the retreat ! We were to storm a battery at the far end of the valley - nothing happened until we had covered one half the distance ... then the Russian artillery opened up and the air was filled with arms legs and fragments of men and horses .....
Lord Cardigan signaled for me to sound the retreat - twice I lifted the bugle to my lips and tried to give the signal that would have brought in the pitiful remnants of that brave band - but I was so horrified that I couldn't make a sound .... finally Lord Cardigan shouted to his men " Retreat - save yourselves " (Only 142 survived ... Sutherland escaped without injury (?)

No one who was not in the valley of death will ever know how much horror can be packed into 20 minutes ......
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 00:39 GMT (UK) »


Historical Society documents showed that Sutherland was the bugler in the "First Volunteers " in 1862 eight years after the scrape with death in the Crimean war

The Denver Times of March 15th 1882 identified Sutherland as the bugler and related that he had been given an almost trackless piece of land in 1863 at 15th and California Streets and had refused $20,000 for it !

His Great Granddaughter recalled family discussions - which included a report that Sutherland got drunk one day and gave away the valuable property .... The Denver Dry Goods Co now stands on the tract !!

( * actually at this time it is the prime real estate downtown ...... !! )
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