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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 00:47 GMT (UK) »

Now for something completely different .... I'll save the rest of Sutherland for tomorrow !!  ;D

Light Brigade Scandal.

The extraordinary tale of a wayward Irish soldier who survived the Charge of the Light Brigade only to be flogged when he returned to camp has emerged in the sale of his Crimean War decorations.
Private Christopher Fox, who was born in the Dublin parish of St Michael's joined the 4th Light Dragoons in 1847 at the age of 19, but he soon found himself in trouble because of his hot-headedness.
His name was in the defaulter's book 43 times he was court-martialled four times and imprisoned twice.
However in 1854 Fox sailed to the Crimea - where he won his three clasps for the battles of Alma, Balaklava and Sebastopol. They were expected to fetch up to pounds 5,000 at Spink auctioneers in London
On October 25 1854, Fox took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade.
But a fellow soldier Pte James Herbert, later revealed how - far from being commended Fox was flogged 25 times.
Herbert told a journalist: "There was a man of our regiment named Fox. When the order to advance was given, he was on duty at the camp. He rushed to his horse - rode in the charge and came safely back. He was court martialled for leaving his post and sentenced to receive 50 lashes ...... Fox was made an example of by being given 25 strokes with the cat-o'- nine-tails.
At the time -  one man never gave more than 25 lashes -  without someone else being left to wield the whip for the rest.
Fox's Colonel let him off the rest - but the plucky private said: "I don't want to be beholden to you. I'll take the other 25 " .......... The balance was never given !

Despite his dislike of discipline, Fox remained in the army another 18 years, winning four good conduct badges.

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 02:45 GMT (UK) »


Here's his Civil War information ! 

Alexander Sutherland
Regiment Name - 1 Colorado Cavalry.
Side - Union
Company-  L
Soldier's Rank - In Bugler
Soldier's Rank - Out Bugler
Film Number - M534 roll 3

Union Colorado Territory Volunteers
1st Regiment Colorado Cavalry

Regiment organized from 1st Colorado Infantry November 1, 1862. Attached to District of Colorado, District of the Upper Arkansas and District of the Plains till November, 1865, operating against Indians and protecting stage routes.
Stationed by detachments at Denver, Camps Collins, Curtis, Fillmore, Robbins, Weld and Canon City and at Forts Lyon and Garland.

Service - Skirmish at Grand Pass, Fort Halleck, Idaho, July 7, 1863 (Detachment). Expedition from Denver to Republican River, Kansas, April 8-23, 1864 (Co. "D"). Skirmish near Fremont Orchard, Colo, April 12 (Cos. "C" and "H"). Expedition from Camp Sanborn to Beaver Creek, Kansas, April 14-18 (Cos. ("C" and "H"). Skirmish at Big Bushes, Smoky Hills, April 16 (Cos. "C" and "H"). Skirmish at Cedar Bluff, Colo. May 3 (Co. "C"). Scout from American Ranch to Cedar Bluff May 9-10. Scout from Fort Sumner August 3-November 4 (Cos. "A," "B" and "G"). Scout from Fort Union, N. Mex., August 4-September 5. Affair near Fort Lyon, Colo. August 7. Skirmish near Sand Creek August 11 (Cos. "D," "G," "K" and "L"). Scout on Fort Union Road, near Fort Garland, August 12-16 (Detachment). Skirmish, Atkins' Ranch, August 22. Skirmish, Walnut Creek, Kansas, September 25 (Cos. "L" and "M"). Skirmish, Fort Lyon, October 9. Affairs near Fort Lyon November 6-16. Pawnee Forks November 25 (1 Co.). Engagement with Indian at Sand Creek, Colo., November 29 (Cos. "C," "D," "E," "G," "H"and "K"). Company "B" at Fort Zarah, Kansas, August to October, 1864, then at Fort Garland. Skirmishes at Valley Station and Julesburg, Colo., January 7, 1865. Operations on Overland Stage Route between Denver and Julesburg January 14-25, 1865 (Co. "C"). Skirmish, Valley Station, Colo., January 14 (Co. "C"). Skirmish, Godfrey's Ranch, January 14 (Detachment). Skirmishes at Morrison's or American Ranch and Wisconsin Ranch January 15. Point of Rocks or Nine- Mile Ridge, near Fort Larned, January 20. Gittrell's Ranch January 25. Moore's Ranch January 26. Lillian Springs Ranch January 27. Near Valley Station January 28 (Co. "C"). Operations against Indians near Fort Collins, Colo., June 4-10 (Co. "D"). Expedition from Denver to Fort Halleck, Dakota, June 17-19 (Co."D"). Operations about Rock Creek Station, Seven-Mile Creek, Dakota, June 24-30 (Cos. "A" and "D").
Mustered out at Leavenworth, Kansas, November 18 1865.

Blimey !! .... he was involved in The Sand Creek Massacre ..............  :o :o :o no ... he wasn't !! he was in Co "L" and was in the skirmish in August .... but he wasn't there in November .... phew !!  my heart was in my mouth there for a minute  !!

Another one of those days that will go down in infamy !  :-\ Black Kettle wanted peace with honour !

http://www.lastoftheindependents.com/sandcreek.htm

"All we ask is that we have peace with the whites. We want to hold you by the hand. You are our father. We have been travelling through a cloud. The sky has been dark ever since the war began. These braves who are with me are willing to do what I say. We want to take good tidings home to our people, that they may sleep in peace. I want you to give all these chiefs of the soldiers here to understand that we are for peace, and that we have made peace, that we may not be mistaken by them for enemies. I have not come here with a little wolf bark, but have come to talk plain with you."

Motavato (Black Kettle) speaking to Gov. Evans, Col. Chivington, Maj. Wynkoop & others
in Denver, autumn, 1864


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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 04:24 GMT (UK) »


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George Cathcart British Army Lieutenant General d. 1854
 
During the Crimean War, his reluctance to bring up his infantry division at the Battle of Balaklava was a major factor in bringing about the disaster of the "Charge of the Light Brigade". He was killed 11 days later at the Battle of Inkerman. One of the hills in the 'Valley of Death' was named Cathcart Hill after him and was the site of the major British war cemetery. However this cemetery was extensively destroyed during World War II. In recent time, some remains, including those of General Cathcart, have been gathered into a memorial enclosure.
 
Cathcart Hill Sebastopol (or Sevastopol) Crimean Republic Ukraine

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French Cemetery Crimean War. This marker is all that is left to mark the site of the French cemetery where their dead were buried after the Crimean War of the 1850s.

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 04:29 GMT (UK) »



There were women helping the wounded on the Russian side too. The most famous of these was Dasha Alexandrova who ran a tavern in Sevastopol. When the allied troops were disembarking at Balaklava, she cut off her hair, dressed in mens' clothing, loaded a horse with clean rags and bottles of wine and vinegar for cleaning injuries and set off for the front line. Other women joined her and they worked throughout the siege, often in very dangerous conditions, assisting wartime surgeon Nokolai Pirogov. Dasha was regarded as a heroine by the soldiers she helped, and became known as Dasha Sevastopolska.

Nikolay Ivanovich Pirogov

was a prominent Russian scientist doctor pedagogue public figure, and corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences (1847). He is considered to be the founder of field surgery, and was one of the first surgeons in Europe to use ether as an anaesthetic.
He worked as an army surgeon in the Crimean War From his works in the Crimea, he is considered to be the father of field surgery. He followed work by Louis Seutin in introducing plaster casts for setting broken bones, and developed a new osteoplastic method for amputation of the foot, known as the "Pirogov amputation". He was also the first to use anethesis in the field, particularly during the siege of Sevastopol, and he introduced a system of triage into five categories. He encouraged female volunteers as an organised corps of nurses, the Khrestovozvizhenska community of nurses established by Grand Duchess Yelena Pavlovna, echoing the efforts made by Florence Nightingale for the British.
He last appeared in public on 24 May 1881, and died later that year at Vishnya in Ukraine

Nikolai Ivanovich Pirogov (1810 - 81)
Pirogov is the most famous figure in the history of Russian medicine.
Pirogov's first famous contribution to medicine was as professor of the Medico-Surgical academy of St. Petersburg. Pirogov paved the way in Russia for the scientific use of anesthesia.
At that time anesthesia was unknown for surgery and as a result even minor operations caused patients immeasurable suffering, and even death. Then in 1840 ether was first used in an operation carried out in Boston, USA. Pirogov made many experiments with animals and tested the effect of the ether on himself and on his associates before using it as an anaesthetic in the clinic. It was only after he was convinced that ether anesthesia was absolutely harmless that he began to use it on a wide scale in his operations. Later Pirogov tested and began using another anaesthetic - chloroform. Pirogov was the first surgeon to make a wide of anesthesia in field hospitals. (Caucasus in 1847)
Even before the discovery made by Louis Paster, Pirogov had correctly defined the cause of inflammation and pus formation after an operation. To prevent wound infection Pirogov used substances which are still in use today by surgeons.
Pirogov was the first doctor in Russia to use nurses to care for sick and wounded in the field.
This outstanding surgeon and scientist was also a prominent public figure. He devoted much of his time to the training and education. His ideals and his active methods of teaching were widely appreciated and adopted in Russia and other countries and profoundly influenced the development of the system of medical public education.
While living in Odessa, Pigorov resided at Deribasovskaya 31

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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 05:00 GMT (UK) »


Cornet Grey Neville - b. 15 October 1830 d. 11 November 1854

5th Dragoons GUARDS - wounded at Balaklava, 25th October 1854 Brother of Henry Neville (Grenadier Guards) who was killed at Inkermann, 5th November 1854. Buried at Scutari -
"Sacred to the memory of Honourable Grey Neville 5th Dragoon Guards. Youngest son of Lord Braybrooke. Died at Scutari 11th November 1854 of wounds received from wounds received in action Aged 24 years. Surviving by only six days his brother the Honourable Henry Neville Grenadier Guards Killed at Inkerman 5th November 1854. To the dear memory of those so loved and early lost their sorrowing Family inscribe this stone."

Hon. Grey Neville was born on 15 October 1830. He was the son of Richard Griffin, 3rd Lord Braybrooke, Baron of Braybrooke and Lady Jane Cornwallis.

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Captain George Lockwood - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854
Memorial at St. Marys Church, Lambourne, Essex - "To the memory of George Lockwood Captain 8th Hussars, second son of William Joseph Lockwood of Dews Hall. Born June 16th 1818. He fell October 25th 1854 in the memorable cavalry charge of Balaclava while acting as ADC to Major general the Earl of Cardigan. Every effort to recover his remains having been proved ineffectual this monument is erected by his mother as a tribute of love to an affectionate and dutiful son."

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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 07:10 GMT (UK) »
great work  annie,    on 3000 hits  run this one up 3000 and you can start part 3 ;D ;D ;D tony

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« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 19:49 GMT (UK) »
Annie, smaller world than we thought !!!  you have to go visit  :D

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Captain J.A. Oldham - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854

Three officers killed - Captains Oldham and Goad and Cornet Montgomery
From Sir Fitzroy Donald Maclean some interesting particulars regarding Captain Oldham's death have been obtained and are here given - Captain Oldham at the time of the Balaclava charge was second captain in the regiment. How he came to lead the regiment in the charge is as follows .........
Colonel C. E. Doherty was sick - Major Ormsby Gore was in Bulgaria or had been invalided home - and Captain Holden the senior captain was in command of the depot at home.

On the day of the battle - Captain Oldham rode his second charger - a white mare his first charger being unfit for work. This white mare was notoriously a brute and on the occasion of the charge bolted - luckily straight at the Russian guns. Captain Oldham fell, and was last seen wounded and bleeding with his sword in one hand and his pistol in the other. As a matter of fact he was the first man to get among the guns. His dead body was never found, and his grave is therefore unknown.
Shortly after the battle a Russian officer came in under a flag of truce to arrange about the burial of the dead. In the presence of Sir Fitzroy Maclean, who was standing close by, he asked, "Who was the officer who rode a white horse and led the charge of Balaclava?" He was told that the officer was Captain Oldham, and at once replied, "a brave man." It may be mentioned that the brother of Captain Oldham fell in New Zealand in an attack on one of the "pahns " - he was wounded but persisted in pressing on in spite of all suggestions that his wound should be attended to -  a few minutes later a second shot killed him.

"Oldham I saw killed by a shell which burst under his horse and knocked over two or three others. It blew his mare's hind-legs off -  and he jumped up himself not hit when next moment he threw up his hands and fell dead on his face poor fellow "

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