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Taylor or Smith
« on: Sunday 23 March 08 13:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi All
For a few years now my family have been trying to find out about the Taylor Family with no movement in getting any further than gossip amongst ourselves
so I'm hoping with a lot of help from you, you can help us.
I've talked to the only 3 surviving relatives about their father and Grandfather and this (I think) is every thing we know

Jabez Taylor (their father) married Emily Dunn on the 18th August 1902 in Fulham, London, aged 21 and was a crater, Father John Taylor, Crater ( I have the marriage Cert)
Picture of the Grave, which reads as follows
Atherlia Taylor (their Grandmother) who died 25th June 1902 aged 64
Emily Taylor (their mother) who passed away 2nd November 1953 aged 72
Jabez Taylor (their Father) wife of the above who passed away 11th Feb 1965 aged 86

This is what my Great Aunts tell me
Jabez Taylor came from Kent because they all went hop picking with him when they were little, and he took them to Kent to live with relatives of his, in tents and caravans, One year he lost a lot of relatives, when a lot of caravans went over the edge of the road killing the people inside,
He took his mothers name because of some feud in the family
His fathers name was Samuel Smith who they think was a gardener and when he died was buried in the Manor House were he worked.

I dont know why he would say on his marriage Cert his father was John Taylor if he knew it was Sam Smith, I cant find a Birth Cert for him without knowing the father, I can find nothing on his mother Atherlia, even in the 1901 Census, although she died in 1902, One of my Great Aunts thinks that he was born in the Croydon area, was always told that the Smiths were relatives.

Any help would be greatfully received, and hopefully one day we could solve this mystery
Thanks again
John

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 23 March 08 15:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi
         have you sent for Atherlia s death cert it should say who reged the death and may have her husbands name on it which would give you something to work from,
         Deaths Jun 1902   
Taylor  Atherlia  57  Brentford  3a 102
          
                            Matilda
travellers: Penfold, Holland, Orchard, Loveridge, saunders, James, Davis<br />Somerset/devon: Hawkins, Lane, Perryman, Saffin, Bowden, Warren<br />Yorkshire/Lincolnshire: Webster, Gleadell, Gott, Patrick, Milnes, Beverley

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 23 March 08 16:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Matilda
I think your right, I will order her Death Cert
Thanks again
John

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23 March 08 16:53 GMT (UK) »
God you weren't kidding about them not being on any censuses.  ???

Can you find Jabez or Sam Smith on anything?
I see Atherlia was born in 1845 and died in Brentford but noting else. So was Taylor her maiden name?

If you get death certificate and her husband died before her it might refer to her as "widow of..." which might help narrow the search a bit.

Perhaps John Taylor was an alias of Sam Smith or maybe he put a false name if the family feud was bad enough.  :-\

Was it the Hartlake tragedy that Jabez's family died in?
I have found a Thomas Taylor aged just 4 years old when he drowned that day. He was the son of Thomas Taylor, a labourer.
Thomas Taylor also died that day aged 38 as well as Sarah Taylor aged 55.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.  :-\
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 March 08 17:02 GMT (UK) »
According to Jabez TAYLOR's WW1 army pension/service records he was born in Kensington and aged 34 years and 6 months in September 1914.

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 March 08 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Is this Athaliah ???

1861

covered cart & tent, Hammersmith, Middlesex

Jeremiah TAYLOR head mar 47 basket maker b.Watford Herts
Augusta wife 44 b.High Wycombe Bucks
Athaliah dau 19 b.Moulsey Surrey
Mininny? dau 10 b.T...dley? nr Hadlow Kent
Christopher son 6 b.Wandsworth
Eda dau 3 b.Kensington Middlesex
Georgiana dau 2 b.Hammersmith Middlesex

RG9/26 folio 140 page 54

Perhaps the family can be followed forwards ie. I have spotted Christopher in Acton 1881-1901.

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 March 08 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for trying to help
I've rung my Great Aunt and she confirms Jabez (her father) was not only in WW1 but also in the Boer war, She says he might have been a regular in his early days.
On his marridge Cert his witnesses were a Christopher Taylor and Ellen Tyson
All the immediate family comes from Acton, including Myself, my Dad, and Jabez Taylor my Granfather (Son of Jabez Taylor)
Thanks again
John

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 March 08 18:01 GMT (UK) »
1871

caravans & tents, Kensal Road, Chelsea

Francis LIGHT head mar 41 hawker b.Romsey Hants
Augusta wife 57 b.Stockchurch Oxon
Patience LIGHT dau 14 b.Southampton Hants
Ada dau 12 b.Notting Dale Kensington Middlesex
Georgiana dau 10 b.Notting Dale Kensington Middlesex
Henry son 9 b.Hammersmith

There are SMITHs and TAYLORs with them (including Christopher born Wandsworth) but I couldn't see Athaliah :-\

RG10/91 folio 78 page 27 and the preceding page.
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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 March 08 18:24 GMT (UK) »
Serving with the Boer war could well explain his absence from the 1901 census then.

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