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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 26 August 08 22:10 BST (UK) »
are you getting the emails from me and irene?we are trying to send you information we are finding.cathayb
birchs taylors penfold orchard hughes all romany gypsies in the west country

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 19 October 08 19:15 BST (UK) »
Hi

My name is Gemma and my gran's mum was called Annie Lizzie Peers (although she is named as Amy on my gran's birth certificate.) She was born in Doncaster, Yorkshire in 1906. The reason I'm posting here is that my nan recalls something about her marrying a man with the surname Taylor. I was wondering if there were any links to any of the Taylors you are talking about as I know she 'ran away with the circus' as my nan put it. I think it was Bertram's circus but my nan's memory is not what it once was.

Sorry if there is no link to waste your time.

Gemma

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 19 October 08 19:28 BST (UK) »
sorry love.i am afraid ours were all west country and home counties and not circus folk.wished i could have helped.sorry.cathayb
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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 19 October 08 20:28 BST (UK) »
Ok. Thank you for replying!

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Gemma

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 25 October 08 13:55 BST (UK) »
 :)  Hi I too am related to the Taylor's of the Hadlow Hartlake disaster.  My link is through my gt grandfather's sister Elizabeth Harris 1859 - 1889. Her daughter Emily Mary Trout 1878 married Thomas Taylor 1870. Thomas is the son of Thomas Taylor c1850 - 1943 and grandson of Plato Taylor 1824 -1904 who married Elizabeth Webb.   Plato is the youngest  brother of the Thomas Taylor 1819 - 1853  and son of Sarah Taylor (nee Blackwell) c1784 - 1853 both of whom died in the disaster.
Brassett;Brasted;Harris;Webb;Amos;Humphreys; Trout;Taylor

Essex, Wanstead, Loughton;Southminster; Ongar; great Burstead;Billericay

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 25 October 08 14:07 BST (UK) »
hi ya.so pleased to have found another relative.theres quite a few of us doing this line.would love to share info with you and swap notes.i will also put you in touch with some of the other taylor relatives.cathayb  i will pm you with my email address.
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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 25 October 08 14:28 BST (UK) »
Still ploughing through what has gone before but I am sure I can give you more.
Brassett;Brasted;Harris;Webb;Amos;Humphreys; Trout;Taylor

Essex, Wanstead, Loughton;Southminster; Ongar; great Burstead;Billericay

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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #34 on: Friday 21 November 08 18:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi All
Just to give you an update of where I've got to

Atherlias Death Cert States
Died at 46 Osbourne Road, Acton
Widow of Joshua Taylor
Selina Hearn, Daughter, present at death, of 18 May place Notting Hill

Selinas Marridge Cert, 1890 Maiden name Taylor, Father Joshua
Married in Fullam
Whitness Gentila Taylor and John Goodsell

1891 Census for Selina Hearn
149 Stanns Road London
With Husband Christopher as Head
Isobel Smith aged 13 Single,  Sister in law
( with makes Isobel Selinas Sister)

So there is a Smith connection
Was she married Twice, or more
Whats the chance of being born a Taylor, and meeting someone
with the same surname, I surpose it must happen
I have Jabez with 2 Sisters, Selina and Isobel
Still no Birth Certs can be found

And thats where I am at the moment
any info would be much Help
Thanks to all that have Posted and Helped me get this far

John





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Re: Taylor or Smith
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 23 November 08 00:15 GMT (UK) »
Dear John,
My families in my tree involve the Taylor's, Cooper, Mills, Hunts and Thompsons.
My lot originally inhabited Croydon, Mitcham and travelled anywhere from Bushey herts to Alton etc.

Now a rellie has contacted me to help him with his Great Grandfather Daniel Cooper b 1873 in Notting hill. He "married" Mary Jane Mills whose parents were Eli Mills and Jane Lindsey. Cert for Mary janes birth and marriage cert for Eli. No marriage record so far for Daniel and Mary. BUT their children christened in St Saviours Croydon and they lived and died in Croydon..
Now this is where the complications start.
Daniel and mary Jane are interred  in a family  grave mainly inhabited with Taylors. in Queens Road cemetary.Have seen grave and taken photos
THey include Irene Taylor and her husband T Gomm. her sister Naomi Taylor with her husband T Macintyre. Their mother Flora Taylor nee Mills b 1878, wife of Alfred Taylor b Kingston? 1875 and she is the daughter of Aaron Mills and Flora Cooper b 1852 Battersea. (Flora Cooper being the daughter of Robert Cooper and Silvi Williams.
I was a bit perplexed of why Daniel and Mary was in a Taylor grave.
I was informed by Irenes daughter that Daniel was in fact Alfred Taylors BROTHER.
I have been on Jackie Blackman's gypsies passing through website on wetpaint and someone advised me to come here
I have gleaned a lot of information but the peice that is missing is the Father of Alfred and Daniel should be a Joshua Taylor. (Alfreds marriage cert to Flora)
Now Atherlia's death cert states she is the wife of a Joshua Taylor.
BUt now the other complication is the Smith name has come up.
What I cant find on any census is a Joshua Taylor that may fit the year of birth and a hawker , gypsy or otherwise.
I have spoken to Alfreds grandson today who is also my second cousin through the Thompson side. and he remembers as a child visiting Nottinghill and Acton with his mother to visit rellies.
He thinks a Taylor married a Shepherd.
I have traced Atherlias family back to Jeremiah Taylor and Sarah. She is the daughter of Jeremiah Jnr b c 1815-1816.
I found   young Daniel under the name of Taylor in the 1881 census with his cousin Henrietta Taylor and her new husband Noah parker in Wanstead Flats, in the next caravan is her father Plato Taylor b c 1824 christened in Bushey herts.
Now if Henrietta and young Daniel are cousins by rights Plato should have a brother born over 20 years later called Joshua......
But at no time is there a Atherlia and Joshua appearing in a census.
Jabez appears . is this a gypsy name for Joshua I ask.??
Found Atherlias christening in 1842 under her gypsy name.
I dont know of many Taylors but there are quite a few descendents still alive under the name of Thompson in and around Croydon still.
They are getting on but their memories fading fast.
Hope I havent rambled , but maybe we could help each other here.
Even if I found birth records for Alfred and Daniel I would be grateful.
But being born in one place dosent mean to say they were registered in the same area. Thats if they were registered at all.
Regards Carol



Wolfe in Kent and America  Australia and New Zealand (Found)
Bullen. in Berks, Stockwell London and New York
Mills in Croydon & Mitcham Gypsy based
Coopers from Croydon, Norwood
THompson  Croydon & Mitcham and Alnwick/ Northumberland
Green in Croydon and Peckham Camberwell
Reed in Peckham could originate in Ireland
Hunt Bushey Herts walworth Peckham  Croydon, Mitcham Gypsy based
Jessop in and around Kent
Taylors Croydon originate from Nottinghill and Acton
Gardner Mitcham