Tansey/Tanzy

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Im not sure to be honest. I reserve judgement.

What I do think is that Wilsher and Wilshaw are the same - and there are several refs to Wilshaws. One of those is A Wilshaw marrying into Piramus Grays family, which has been proven otherwise. Another family I wouldnt mind knowing more about....

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Well a chap i email is a Wilsher and I know they are wed into the Grays/Winters/Holmes and I think Boswells and also Smith as one of his line is with some Smiths in a census as down as cousins ,but the Wilshers;and all spellings !! seem to habe been in Yorkshire and then they seem to end up in Nottingham Newark area but before then some were from Scotland as his grt granny was Scottish which is where I imagine they wed into the Grays/
Winter and kennedys but they have been a nightmare finder as the surnames spelt so many different ways, as usual !!

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While I was looking for a lady found this Census and these are my notes:-
Note all the Winters i saw seemed to be gorga unless it was because he wed Matilda Gray?and took to the life.
1861*Town: Huddersfield CountyYorkshire.
No Gypsies near by?
1861*Town: Huddersfield Yorkshire
Hanah Winter 33 hd widow b Huddersfield
James William Winter 10 school boy b Huddersfield
Louisa Gertrude Winter1 b Huddersfield
Tom Winter 5 school boy b Huddersfield
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1901 CENSUS*Ince in Makerfield Lancashire.(several families all in caravans and hawkers etc)
Elias Winters 3 bInce, Lancashire
Matilda Winters 26 (Nee Heron)b Halifax, Yorkshire
Maud J Winters1 b Ince, Lancashire
Thomas Winters 43 b Huddersfield, Yorkshire Hawker of carpets.
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Maria Dale 34 b Ireland b Leigh Lancashire.
William Dale 45 earthenware dealer
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Edward Bentley 29 scissors cutler/grinder
Georgina Bentley 23 hawker lace and pegs b Wales Flintshire
Rhoda Bentley 5 b Ince, Lancashire
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Ann J Johnson 60 widow hd b Manchester,
Leno Johnson 40 dau b Manchester,
Annie "" "" 23 dau b Manchester,
John H Sutton 30 son in law b Wigan, lab
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Ann Frith 54 widow b Wigan, Lancashire
Richard Frith15 b Hindley, Lancashire coal worker underground
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Angelina Boswell 19 wife b Newcastle, Staffordshire
Samson Boswell 22 hd b Angelina Boswell 19 Horse dealer
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Cinderella Boswell10 dau b Hindley, Lancashire
Edicar Boswell14 son b Knutsford, Cheshire
Liar Boswell17 son b Manchester, Lancashire
Mernfield Boswell 21 son b Stockport, Cheshire
Lea Lovel 43 hd female b Bamfurlong, Lancashire
Roda Lovel 22 niece b Barnsley, Yorkshire
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Clara Boswell 26 wife b Northzitch, Cheshire(found marriage 1895 Clara Bradburn)Blackburn Lancashire
Doria Boswell 5 b Salford, Lancashire
Noah R Boswell 26 hd b Wilmslow, Cheshire
Pheonix Boswell 2 son b Ince, Lancashire
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William Cartwright 33 hd b Lowton, Lancashire
Susannah Cartwright wife23 b Winslow, Cheshire
Noah Cartwright 2 months b Ince, Lancashire
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Kinsey Kelshaw 40 hd b Cheshire, England Horse dealer
Matilda Kelshaw wife 46 b Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Edna Kelshaw 5 dau b Stockport, Lancashire
Lena Kelshaw 17 dau b Stockport, Lancashire
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John Rogerson 25 hd b Stockport, Lancashire Horse dealer
Andrew Rogerson 2 months b Stockport, Lancashire
Evelyne Rogerson 4 dau b Stockport, Lancashire
Fewshaw Rogerson 22 wife b Walsall, Staffordshire
James Rogerson 2 son b Stockport, Lancashire

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You probably already know that Richard Winter wed Cinderella Heron dau of Fauk Gray and polly Elliot !your the expert on the Grays !! I just make notes if they cross into my lines etc.
I have donr the Herons as I was doing the Hearns and some are the same family abeit ,one Rais would record them as Heron and Others Hearn !drove me crazy when I first started doing the Hearns!

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Gipsies Tent Tittesworth Staffordshire 1861
James Boswell Clothes Peg Mkr 1791 Nottinghamshire
Rhuderham Boswell Son c.p.m. 1821 Derbyshire
Happy Boswell Son c.p.m. 1838 Nottinghamshire
Isiah Boswell c.p.m. 1839 Staffs
Seliphean Boswell Son c.p.m. Staffs
Urda Boswell daughter in law c.p.m. 1838 Warwickshire
Bidda Boswell daughter in law c.p.m. 1842 Staffs
Dolor Boswell daughter in law c.p.m. 1811 Staffs
Jerusalem Boswell daughter c.p.m. 1848 Staffs
Anorah Boswell Gdtr c.p.m. 1855 Staffs
Sarah Boswell Gdtr c.p.m. 1853 Staffs
Matilda Boswell Gdtr  1858 Staffs
Sampson Boswell Gson 1859 Staffs
Rabia Boswell Gson 1856 Staffs
Jane Boswell Gdtr 1855 Staffs
Hoserygray Boswell Gson 1860 Staffs

Oh yes, I done the Grays to death.

Fowk Heron married Polly Elliot he was bapt 1794 s/o Richd Margt

and had Elijah, Master and Swallow, of which at least the last 2 were suposed to be transported.

He also had:
Miseretta/Miseta/Morette b.cir 1823  married Eldred Pierce aka Winter aka Smith (direct family ancestor)

Tienna/Trinity/Trenity married Stephen Pierce (bro) born cir 1820 Westboro Lin, she died 1853 Grainthorpe, Linc, supposedly as a result of a dog bite.

And Cinderella b.cir 1830 Billinghay Lin, married Richard Winter...
of which this much is known:

she died in 1888 at Caistor Dist Lin, and may also be known as Sophia - or maybe not! Maybe its a second wife, and perhaps not related at all:

Issue:

Emily 1866 Grasby
Harriet 1869 Manton
Esther married John Pierce
Alice 1872 Castor
Katie 1874 Wrawby.

This part the family reasonably well doc..... its further back I need. :S

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Little London, Melton Mowbray Leic 1871
Appeli Smith 22 Brushmaker Skillington Leic
Hamardine Smith 20 wife Leicester Leic
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Byrewenley Smith wid 51 Hawker Waltham Leic
Samuel Smith 16 son Labourer, Harston Leic
Elizabeth Smith 14 dtr Gerton Lin
Fanny Smith 12 dtr Eaton Leic
Eliza Smith 6 dtr Melton Leic
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Synamenta Smith 42 wid Hawker Spilsby Lin
Sophia Smith 11 Willoughby Leic
Nathaniel Smith 4 Twyford leic
Nathaniel Smith 24 boarder, unmarried, deaf n dumb. Langham Rut
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Thomas Smith 27 Labourer Haston Leic
Eliza Smith 26 Woolsthorpe Leic
Thomas Smith 6 Melton Leic
Cinimenta Smith 4 Derby Dbys
Sarah Smith 2 Melton Leic
Bertrice Smith 2months Melton Leic

Few doors away
Sarah Winters 48 Hawker Boston Lin
Ann Winters 11 Melton Leic
Ellen Winters 8 Notts
William Winters 2 Melton Leic

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Encamped by the highway, in tents, Findern, Derbys RG11 2755 79 17   
Kaphtali Boswell 39 Hawker Thringstone, Leic
Duana Boswell 37  Matlock Bank, Derby
Theophilus Boswell 15  Matlock, Derby
Israel Boswell 12  Matlock, Derby
Mary Ann Boswell 9  Chesterfield, Derby
   
Moses Holland 29 Scissor Grinder, etc Ravenstone, Leic
Eliza Holland 22  Matlock Derby
Mary Ann Holland 9mo  Castle Donington, Leic

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Brickyard Cottage, Melton Mowbray 1881
Napthali Smith 34 Brickmaker Skillington Lin
Amadine Smith 27 Hawker Gt Peatling Leic
Laura Smith 9 Melton Leic
John H Smith 8 Melton
Nathaniel Smith 6 Billesdon Leic
Amadine Smith 4 Melton
Rose A Smith 1 Melton
Wyramenta Smith 63  mother wid hawker Waltham Leic
Adeliza Smith sister 17 hawker  Melton

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5 Snow Hill
Napthali Smith 43 Brickmaker Skillington Lin
Ammadine Smith 40 Peatting Leic
John H Smith 18 Brickmaker Melton Leic
Nathaniel Smith 16 Brickmaker Billesdon Leic
Ammadine Smith 14 Bootmaker Melton Leic
Rose A Smith 8 Melton Leic
Sarah Smith 6  Melton Leic
Ann S Smith 3 Melton Leic
Ethel M Smith 8months Melton Leic