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Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'?
« on: Thursday 03 April 08 22:51 BST (UK) »
Hello

Please forgive my asking but I had on a marriage certificate the occupation of 'Hawker' appear - I am not sure what this occupation is - the marr cert is 1838.

Can anybody help me?

Liz
Warwickshire: Baskott, Healey, Satchwell, Webb, Perry,
Huntingdonshire: Mayse, Gynn
Norfolk: Morris, Chamberlain
Devon: Lillicrap, Gullett
Leicestershire: Hill, Knibbs, Busby, Hedge, Miller
Northamptonshire: Webb, Jones,

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Re: Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 April 08 22:54 BST (UK) »
A hawker was basically someone who sells stuff I think.

A hawker was a job many travellers had but not all hawkers were travellers. What was your ancestors name it may help? :)
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 03 April 08 23:09 BST (UK) »
The surname was Knibbs, and his address on the marriage certificate was the 'Greyhound Inn'.

It has made such a delightful change from seeing the ever present 'Ag Lab'!

Liz
Warwickshire: Baskott, Healey, Satchwell, Webb, Perry,
Huntingdonshire: Mayse, Gynn
Norfolk: Morris, Chamberlain
Devon: Lillicrap, Gullett
Leicestershire: Hill, Knibbs, Busby, Hedge, Miller
Northamptonshire: Webb, Jones,

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Re: Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 03 April 08 23:22 BST (UK) »
Hmm, I don't know of any Knibbs travellers but I have a couple of ancestors who were half-blooded with non-Romani fathers and non-Romani surnames but they lived as gypsies as was their mother's blood.

But just because I don't know of the name doesn't mean he wasn't a traveller, I am not an authority. :)

Is there any other information you can give us such as first name, age, location? Often being able to see him in context on a census can help.

I know what you mean about Ag Labs, I am beginning to form an irrational hatred for farm workers.
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 04 April 08 08:18 BST (UK) »
Not all Hawkers were travellers. One of my non-romany gggt grandads was listed as a Hawker in 1841. By 1851 he was a postman!


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Re: Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 04 April 08 09:20 BST (UK) »
Not all Hawkers were travellers. One of my non-romany gggt grandads was listed as a Hawker in 1841. By 1851 he was a postman!



I agree, I have non-Romany circus workers as well. Occupations are rarely conclusive evidence of ethnicity.
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 04 April 08 10:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your replies, I shall keep researching, it would be lovely to think I had traveller/romany genes somewhere, it would help me deal with the increasing need to go and dig the garden (far too many Ag Labs......)

L12
Warwickshire: Baskott, Healey, Satchwell, Webb, Perry,
Huntingdonshire: Mayse, Gynn
Norfolk: Morris, Chamberlain
Devon: Lillicrap, Gullett
Leicestershire: Hill, Knibbs, Busby, Hedge, Miller
Northamptonshire: Webb, Jones,

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Re: Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 04 April 08 10:39 BST (UK) »
I have a General Hawker ancestor, and I have been lead to believe that a Hawker was the equivalent of a door-to-door salesman, or possibly the more industrious ones would set up a cart somewhere to sell their wares.

As for Ag Labs, my tree is groaning with them. I was actually quite proud to find that one of my GGG-grandfathers was listed as a 'Scavenger'. I think he was the only ancestor with a proper trade!  ;D

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Re: Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 04 April 08 10:42 BST (UK) »
A Hawker was a person licensed to sell goods using a horse to pull or  carry the goods. If they were on foot only then they were Pedlars
Knight (Nottingham & Hants) Hancock, (Kent) , Hancox (Warwickshire), Linneys (Hants) Brothers (Langford, Beds,East London), Bridgers (East London)

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