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Wrexham baptims look up
« on: Friday 04 April 08 17:26 BST (UK) »
Is there any sign of Frances Cotton, d/o John and Jane Cotton. Could possibly have another first or middle name.
In 1848 she marries Robert Williams , so might   ??? possibly be in the later dates.
I can`t find them  in 1851 or any later census , but in 1861 /71 her son Matthew  b 1852 is living with Cotton grandparents in Adwy , so she could have died.
I have found some deaths for Frances Williams, but it would help to eliminate some if I know when she was born.
Thanks. :)
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Re: Wrexham baptims look up
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 April 08 17:51 BST (UK) »
Marriage Dec q. 1848 Wrexham  27 - 418  Frances Cotton - Robert Williams

So her name does appear to be Frances.
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Re: Wrexham baptims look up
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 April 08 18:07 BST (UK) »
Could this be them in 1851  ??? sorry I am not familar with Wales

HO107/2052/310/16

Pentre? Farm, Brymbo

Robert Williams h.m. 22 Engineer b Wrexham
Fanny wife 20 b Cheshire, Malpas
Louisa 2 1/2 b Denbighshire. Brymbo
Jane 6 months       "

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Re: Wrexham baptims look up
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 April 08 21:52 BST (UK) »
 MMMMMMMmm,   :) I think this could be possible, the age of Louisa could be about right for the marriage in 1848, and  Francies`s mother was Jane.
I`ts also said that they lived at Brymbo at one time.
Brymbo is very close to where their son Matthew was living in 1861, Coedpoeth.
The only thing that doen`t fit is that Fanny was born Malpas,  and would have only been about 18 when she married ,but her father was a groom, so he could have worked anywhere,
I hope to check the original PRs for WXM soon , so hopefully this will give both parents names and occupations.
Thank you for this.
I`ll post the results.
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« Reply #4 on: Friday 04 April 08 22:52 BST (UK) »
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The only thing that doen`t fit is that Fanny was born Malpas

I couldent find a birth there either  ::)
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Re: Wrexham baptims look up
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 April 08 16:51 BST (UK) »
 Hopefully if I find the marriage it will give their ages,
Roberts occupation is a match,  his son was a similar trade.
I found Mathew Williams b Minera aged 49 in 1901 in London. He is an engineer.
He is a widower, but I can`t find him in 1891 /81/71

 It`s really Robert Williams the father of Mathew I`m looking for, but with a name like that  ::) ::) ::)

 Thanks for your help :)
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 April 08 19:09 BST (UK) »
Marriage Dec q. 1848 Wrexham  27 - 418  Frances Cotton - Robert Williams

So her name does appear to be Frances.

This seems to be the one, wilcoxon.

Also, I noticed a few Fanny/Frances deaths on the North Wales BMD 1851-1861. It might be worth exploring further on these.

Gadget  :)
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Re: Wrexham baptims look up
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 14:16 BST (UK) »
Hello wilcoxon.  Wrexham Baptisms.
Aug 30 1829. William. S/O John & Jane Cotton. Plas f??er. Groom.
Jan 16 1831. Frances. D/O John & Jane Cotton.""""""""""   Servant.
Dec 223 1832. Mary D/O John & Jane. Cotton. Bersham. Groom.

Gresford marriage Dec 24 1848.
Robert Williams. under age. bachelor. Engine driver. Gwersyllt. John. White Smith.
Frances Cotton. under age. spinster. Gwersyllt. John. Groom.
Witnesses. William Cotton and Mary Cotton.

On the 1881. William and Mary are with Father John in Bersham.

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Re: Wrexham baptims look up
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 15:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks Paul and every one else.
Thats great . I did find a possible baptism  for Robert , and the marriage confirms it is the right one. I wouldn`t have thought of Gresford though. ???

 I think I`m OK with this lot now, and thay can be left alone for a while :)

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