My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!

[Myfi!]

Hessu

Thank you so much for the info re Eleanor's death/burial. 

Do you know when her husband William died, or where he is buried?


myfi

[hessu]

William Abbey (born April 3rd, 1819) died 1880 in Russia. I have no date to give nor where in Russia he died and is buried. I assume in St. Petersburg.

[tiggertwo]

Just noticed I never replied to a post.  Yes, my father Edward John Abbey, was born in the town of Orenburg, south of the Urals.  Later became Chaklov but is once again called Orenburg. 

I have a translation of his birth at Maternity Department formerly Institution of Empress Maria Maternity Home, Orenburg (Orenburg Maternity Home).  He was born there on 17th February 1917 (Russian calendar).  The Director of the maternity home who signed the Certificate on 19th May, 1917 was Dr. Varushkin Slutzki (or Shutzki).  The document was also signed and stamped by the Chief of the Militia, 1st division of Orenburg.

How far is Orenburg from Ekaterienberg?

I was told that my family had left Russia through Finland but perhaps they had decided to try and leave by a southern route instead.  They were certainly on a train at some stage during the winter because we have a photo album full of pictures taken from the train.  Some pretty awful - showing people hanging from gibbets alongside the railway, etc.

Lynne

[seamike]

Later became Chaklov but is once again called Orenburg.

Between 1938 and 1957 Orenburg was named Tchkalov (after famous Soviet pilot, who perished in 1938).

How far is Orenburg from Ekaterienberg?

Distance between Orenburg and Ekaterinburg (Sverdlovsk during Soviet times) is 863 kilometers

[tiggertwo]

Thanks Seamike.  I guess western maps just spelled it differently!

[hessu]

I noticed in one post you mention Walter Abbey, brother to John Abbey. He lived in Samara (Soviet time Kuibysev) on the Volga early 1900 and later in Moscow.

[Myfi!]

 Hessu

On one of your posts I see you give a date of birth for William (3 April 1819) ...do you have a source?  Just trying to confirm that he is the same William that was baptised 15 August 1819 Skeckling with Burstwick, Yorkshire.

Myfi

[hessu]

Hi,
No, I have nor I have seen any official documents. I got the date a long time ago from relatives. I know that due to a tradition the search was in the Selby area. It was only some years ago that I heard from relatives of a Willďam Abbey from Skeckling with Burstwick and also that somehow the person disappeared. Now we know that he disappeared to Russia. We had had no other knowledge that it was in the 19th centenary when Abbeys left England for Russia.

hessu

[tiggertwo]

Hessu/Myfi:
Hessu, I haven't forgotten about my email.  Just short of time at the moment - but will get around to it.  Busy changing country for the winter.

I don't know where I found this snippet of info. but as Burstwick is near York and a suburb of Hull, that William may be related to the following post by -

Eric Abbey in reply to Henry W Abbey from Hull, England by Theresa Orr.

"So far as I am aware, there are 2 branches of Abbey in Hull, the Henry W that you seek is probably not an immediate relation of mine but I would be very interested to know if you are aware what the W is for.  My grandfather was Harry Waite Abbey (1879 - 1959).  He was born in Hull and lived there all his life.  His father John, was originally from York in northern England so it is likely that the two families are separate".

I'm guessing that he doesn't live in the UK and know the Geography.

He goes on -
"Out of interest there is a large window in the Holy Trinity Church in old town Hull which is dedicated to the Abbey family.  There is also a large burial plot in a now disused cemetery on Spring Bank West just north of the centre of Hull.  This burial plot is, I think, that of the Abbey family commemorated in the Holy Trinity window.

If you know what the W stands for, it may link the two families"


I think his two families probably are linked, purely because of the closeness of the 2 towns.

I'm not sure if this helps us in any way but I thought it might be a snippet you didn't have.

tiggertwo