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Re: Unusual death in Liverpool
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 17:27 BST (UK) »
bit more info,  i think the cylinder used to be in the spot where the large buoy and anchor at the kids play ground is now.  i seem to remember a cylinder of some sort being there in the early to late 50's but i think the one i remember was larger than 2 feet in diameter.

apparently Richard Whittington-Egan is still alive and has quite a collection, a sort of black museum of mysterious liverpool bits and pieces.  he used to be a fleet st. journalist i believe.

By Richard Whittington-Egan.

The discovery: Friday 13th July 1945.
The location: The corner of Fulford street and Great Homer Street.
Date of death - circa July 4th 1885.
Identified as: (probably) Thomas Cregeen Williams. (paperwork in pocket)
Resided at: 29 Clifton Road, Anfield.
Married to: Elizabeth Lea (died aged 42 - buried at Anfield Cemetery)
Place of work: Owned T.C. Williams & Co. paintworks at 18-20 Leeds st.
Cause of death: Unknown.
Reason for death: Possible suicide as he was being inspected by accountants.
OR/: Possible accident as the result of crawling in there to sleep.
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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 17:33 BST (UK) »
I've read a couple of things to the effect that Elizabeth Williams ( nee Lea) died in May 1878 and the Elizabeth in the 1881 census is his second wife, possibly a cousin. I haven't found any traces of a second marriage, but maybe that took place in IoM.
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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 17:53 BST (UK) »
If the reports are correct then this is probably the first wife's death:

Q/e Jun 1878

WILLIAMS Elizabeth  42  West Derby 8b  405   
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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 18:10 BST (UK) »


Did you read that in your book Shaun ... about the second wife ??

Well there was definitely a post mortem ....... who'd have that report I wonder ??

Maybe a post on the I O M board might bring an answer ??

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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 18:17 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 18:20 BST (UK) »

I got it from Yo Liverpool !! ........  :D

There was a child too  :-\
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« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 18:25 BST (UK) »
In Terry Cooke's book he mentions a gold bloodstone signet ring found with the body, hallmarked London 1859. He relates that during the 1945 police investigation an 80 year old man came forward and said that he used to live in Leeds Street, and when he was a lad he would tease TC Williams by opening and closing his shop door (so as to ring the bell) and then running away. On one occasion Williams caught him and beat him round the head - which is when he saw and felt the signet ring.
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 18:29 BST (UK) »
yes, just seen the link to the child.

  Thomas Lea Cregreen Williams - born circa Nov 1858 -
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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 18:30 BST (UK) »


In that Google book ...... ooh eee ooh !!  ::)

"On the bony finger of one hand the skeleton wore a gentleman's signet ring with a green stone flecked with red !!"
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