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« Reply #63 on: Saturday 26 April 08 00:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Annie .. well before my time!
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« Reply #64 on: Saturday 26 April 08 00:28 BST (UK) »



Oh !!  ::)

But we haven't finished this one yet Shaun !!  :)

Edit .... but I thought maybe this would bring back memories ...

By the end of the 19th century, the reported sightings of Spring Heeled Jack were moving towards western England. In September 1904, in Everton, in north Liverpool, Spring Heeled Jack allegedly appeared on the rooftop of Saint Francis Xavier's Church, in Salisbury Street. Witnesses reported that he suddenly jumped and fell to the ground, landing behind a nearby house. When they rushed to the point, so the story goes, they faced there a tall and muscular man, fully dressed in white and wearing an "egg shaped" helmet, standing there waiting. He laughed hysterically at the crowd and rushed towards them, making several women gasp in dismay. Clearing them all with a gigantic leap, he disappeared behind the neighbouring houses
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« Reply #65 on: Saturday 26 April 08 03:36 BST (UK) »

OK ! Stop messin' about !!  .... back on topic !!  :D :D :D

1871 ....... In School

63 Dean Street Brewood ? Staffordshire

Fanny Wood 14 Pupil Castletown Isle of Man

RG10/ 2922 Folio 10 Page 12

1891 Castletown IOM

Richard Qualtrough 34
Fanny J Qualtrough 33 Wife Castletown Isle of Man
James M Wood 19
Bramwell C Clague 18
Susan Collister 18
Hilda M Harrison 7 niece

RG12/ 4691 Folio 9 Page 11

1901 Castletown IOM

Richard Qualtrough 44
Fanny J Qualtrough 43 Castletown Isle of Man
Louisa Crellin 19
Hilda M Harrison 17

RG13/ 5308 Folio 137 Page 7.
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« Reply #66 on: Saturday 26 April 08 03:53 BST (UK) »



1901 .... this is "her" ... I know it ... age is off ..... but it's her living alone !! can't find her in 1891

61 Astory Street Castletown IOM

Elizabeth Jane Williams widow 53 Living on own Means Castletown Isle of Man

RG13/5308 Folio 99 Page 4.

Though I'm wondering if this maybe a possible .... ( notice the building is uninhabited at night ... and also the one next door !!  ::) ) ... not everybody told the truth on the census  ::)

1891 Liverpool

Samuel I Williams 42 Head Caretaker of building  Malew Isle of Man
Elizabeth Williams   40
Elizabeth Williams   11

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« Reply #67 on: Sunday 18 May 08 17:12 BST (UK) »


Going off topic again .................  :P

But I found these .... the Wallace case ...... how cool are these !!  :)

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« Reply #68 on: Sunday 18 May 08 17:31 BST (UK) »
have you seen this link annie, http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3494&page=21

in particular the bit about richard whittington egan and his connection to the case.
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« Reply #69 on: Sunday 18 May 08 17:40 BST (UK) »

Thanks  Purlin ! .... ( in fact I got the pictures from Marks flickr .... I should have acknowledged it !  :-\ ) ....... we had a thread on Roots about a year or so ago .... we were trying to find the family history too ...... fascinating how everybody has their own ideas ... isn't it ??!!

Annie  :)

PS I think they must have got rid of that thread when they started TOT !!  :-\ :-\ .... that's a shame ... 'cos there was quite a bit of info on there !!
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« Reply #70 on: Sunday 18 May 08 20:54 BST (UK) »
yep darn it! it is a shame the thread has vanished.  there's plenty of others still raking over the mystery though annie.  have a squint at http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-3494-p-3.html

i remember being surprised after radio merseyside did a feature on the murder quite a few years ago now, how many people with first hand knowledge of the case came forward.  the residents of 29 wolverton st. were inundated with people peering through the windows and knocking at the door hoping to get a glimpse of the front room! 

according to this article however its not unusual,

They sound like ordinary addresses: 10 Rillington Place, 29 Wolverton Street, 23 Cranley Gardens. But behind their front doors terrible murders have taken place. So what happens to these houses once the glare of publicity fades? Craig Taylor investigates

Saturday December 13, 2003


It was late one night in November 2001, in Llanfairpwll, Anglesey, when the glass of Mabel Leyshon's back door shattered. A piece of slate tossed through the pane gave the intruder enough space to manoeuvre his way in. When he finally left in the early hours of the morning, the building was no longer a home. It was a murder site: Mrs Leyshon, a 90-year-old widow, had been stabbed more than 20 times. The following August, a local 17-year-old, who had sipped her blood because he thought it would make him immortal, was found guilty of murder. Meanwhile, Mrs Leyshon's house became a popular gawping destination. Cars slowed down. Fingers pointed. Inside, the blinds were drawn, the curtains pulled.

so much for living at a famous address!! 
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« Reply #71 on: Sunday 18 May 08 21:01 BST (UK) »
youve got me going again annie.................       but 29 Wolverton Street looms almost as large in murderous lore and legend. This bijou, terraced house in Anfield is the cat's pyjamas for Britain's murder-fanciers. Seventy years ago, it was the setting for the most baffling whodunnit in the annals of crime. Close the door, light the light. Forget Kafka and Poe. Welcome to the Wallace case.

"We'd been here a couple of months before that taxi-driver told us," says Kevin Firth, 27. "The agent never told us, the people we bought it off never told us, and the old couple next door were horrified that we didn't know."

"Had I known this house had been the scene of a murder, I'd never have moved in," says Kevin's partner, Julie Sames, 25. Kevin himself is a tad more pragmatic. "Wish I had known," he smiles. "I'd have asked for a bit more off the price."

The price was £34,950. That was four and a half years ago. Kevin and Julie were delivering election leaflets along Wolverton Street and liked the feel of this hush-filled cul-de-sac. Unlike many other parts of inner Liverpool, this is not poor quality Victorian property. The houses, built in 1912, are of good-grade red-glazed brick, and come with bathroom, hot and cold running water and inside lavatory. The ceilings are high and the rooms feel airy.

There was more than one house for sale, but Kevin and Julie settled on number 29 because the occupiers had fitted it out to their taste. In any case, it was towards the blind end of the street, and quieter.

The house is snug, but not cramped, its geography almost unchanged since Wallace's day. A bigger bathroom has taken a chunk out of the third back bedroom that Wallace used as an amateur laboratory. Modern frames have replaced the original sash windows in the front bays. Julia's post-Edwardian clutter, etched in the flashlight of the police photographer, has made way for TV and stereo equipment in the pastel-painted front room.

"You have to accept that living here means a certain amount of hassle," Julie explains. What's certain is that the story won't go away. "I'd feel obliged to tell a prospective buyer," Kevin says, "and in any case, like us, they'd find out soon enough anyway."

Prices in this part of Anfield have faltered in recent years. Houses in Wolverton Street with central heating and double glazing are now marketed at an average of £32,950. "It's not the best of markets at the moment," says Alex Dixon, of Anfield agents Sutton Kersh, "but if this particular house came up, the murder tale might create that extra little bit of interest."

Raymond Chandler reckoned the case would "always be unbeatable". Seventy years on, crime buffs are still drawn to this quiet Liverpool backwater, to gaze at the Wallace house and to wonder at its secret.

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