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Galashiels - Bertram
« on: Wednesday 07 May 08 10:41 BST (UK) »
Looking for any information on a Robert Bertram b.ca.1857 Melrose, married a Ann White Wait 29/11/1878 Ladhope Stirling (b. 1860 Galashiels).

1881 2 Stirling St. Selkirk with Ann and Annie aged 2.
Robert died 1926 Galashiels, Ann 1938 Galashiels.

Roberts parents Robert Bertram/Jane Ratray
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Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
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Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
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Re: Galashiels - Bertram
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 17:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Beckey,

I had a check on the IGI and all children to Robert BERTRAM and Jane RATTRAY were born in Lauder, Berwickshire. However, none of the boys were named Robert! :-\ There was a John in 1858 though - do you think he may have been registered as one name, but later used another?

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Re: Galashiels - Bertram
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 21:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Beckey and Hume

Son Robert looks to have been born c. 1854, probably why he doesn't necessarily show on IGI. From the 1861 Census:

Robert Bertram    30, gardener, b. Edinburgh
Jane Bertram    33, wife, b. Cathy Toll, Selkirkshire
Alexander Bertram 8, Blainslie, Roxburghshire
Robert Bertram    7, b. Blainslie, Roxburghshire
James Bertram    5, Chapel, Berwickshire
Barbara Bertram 4, Chapel, Berwickshire
John Bertram 1, Chapel, Berwickshire
Janet Bertram 1 Month, Chapel, Berwickshire
Jim Ken 23, servant
Jane Bertram 39, servant, b. Tirulin, Dumfries

Address: Chapel, Lauder

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Re: Galashiels - Bertram
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 May 08 11:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you both,

According to the 1881 census he was born about 1855 Blainslie ?,Berwick, had a look on the map North of Melrose.

Father Robert died after marriage of Robert and Ann, Jane before, the reason for looking, he was witness to his grandfather in Law's James Wait death in 1880.

Parents of Ann, John Scott Wait and Ann White (1st wife)
Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .

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Re: Galashiels - Bertram
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 May 08 11:13 BST (UK) »
Beckey

What sort of info are you after on Robert b. c. 1854?

Monica
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Re: Galashiels - Bertram
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 May 08 11:16 BST (UK) »
From Genuki at www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ROX/Melrose/blainslie.html

"BLAINSLEE, a village in the north-east extremity of the parish of Melrose, Roxburghshire. It stands on the right bank of the Leader, 3 miles south-south-east of Lauder, on the road thence to St Boswells." from the Imperial Gazetteer of Scotland, edited by John Marius Wilson, 1868.
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Re: Galashiels - Bertram
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 May 08 17:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

Have birth of Robert and Ann also Marriage, would like any other children, there is at least one other, a J W Betram present at fathers death.

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Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .

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Re: Galashiels - Bertram
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 May 08 23:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Barry

Maybe some clues from the censuses:

1891:
Robert Bertram    36, carder, b. Blainslie
Ann Bertram    36, b. Galashiels
John S W Bertram 3, b. Galashiels - maybe the JW Bertram who reported father's death?
Jane Bertram 1, b. Galashiels

Address: 56 Stirling St, Galashiels

1901:
Robert Bertram    45, wool carder
Ann Bertram 40
John P Bertram 13
Jane Bertram 11
Margaret Bertram 6

Address: 56 Stirling St, Galashiels

Monica


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Re: Galashiels - Bertram
« Reply #8 on: Friday 09 May 08 10:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

Thank you for the info. am going to try and get Robert & Jane's death certs, Robert might connect with another Bertram family that a RootsChatter found for me at Edinburgh.

Will now manage to get my wife's paternal great grandfather, John Scott Wait and his first wife Ann White, daughters family.

Barry
Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .