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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 15 May 08 12:00 BST (UK) »
Could you find John/Joshua in 1891 for me please?

1891
RG12/1272 90 11
Luton, Bedfordshire
67 Burr Street

John Harvey, lodger, wid, 59, General Labourer, b. Hemingstone Suffolk

in the household of Charles Waller, 49, Bricklayer and his wife Mary age 48, both born Luton.

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Death John Harvey age 65 Jan 1894 Luton 3b 230
 "My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness"  

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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 15 May 08 12:12 BST (UK) »
I wonder if his death cert would mention any previous names?
I suppose it depends on a) if the person registering it knew and b) if the registrar asked them


I find it strange that Lizzy - who was born after the name changing/remarriage took place and so would never have been a Sheldrake, then chose to marry in the name Sheldrake...

would be interesting to see who she names as her father on her marriage cert.
That might be the final piece of evidence to confirm that Josh 'n' John are one and the same
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 15 May 08 12:24 BST (UK) »
I guess we'll never know the reason for the change.  I can understand Sarah using Sheldrake as she was registered under that name, but not the other 3.

Again, I thank you so much for all your help.
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 15 May 08 12:34 BST (UK) »
Just out of interest, Lizzy married Henry Shane. I just found them in 1881. They also live in Burr Str, Luton!
Married in 1878 at 19, by 1881 she is just 22, but has 4 children, aged 4,2,1 and 6mths.
It just struck me how lifestyles have changed. My daughter is nearly 22, but she is doing finals at Uni! - so different.
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DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
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Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 15 May 08 12:37 BST (UK) »
And just to confuse us all further, the eldest of her childen, Henry, who was born in 1877 just before she married Henry Shane, was registered as Henry Sheldrake!!
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Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
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Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #23 on: Friday 16 May 08 12:55 BST (UK) »
I did find the Shane family in 1881 and also Sarah, married to George Day in 1877.  They had a daughter Florence Day D1877.  Alice married either Albert Buckingham or William Wooler Janes, and Louisa married either John Church Beck or Alfred Austin Warren.  I understand that it is only possible to view the marriage records for Luton by visiting the Beds Archive Office so won't be doing that at the moment.  The LDS only have marriages up to 1812.
Thank you again for your help in this matter.
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Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses - SHELDRAKE
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 17 May 08 14:13 BST (UK) »
Somebody has found Alice for me in 1891 and 1901.  She married William Wooler Janes Sep qtr 1884, and in 1891 she had her sister living with her - Louisa Sheldrake age 16!
I think that Louisa Sheldrake Harvey married Alfred Austin Warren in 1899.
So, many thanks again for helping me to track down Julia and her family.
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Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses - SHELDRAKE
« Reply #25 on: Monday 19 November 12 19:41 GMT (UK) »
4 years later and I may be able to add something to this discussion about Joshua Sheldrake (I am GG grandson of his brother Thomas): the County Petty Sessions section in the Hertfordshire Mercury of 10 May 1851 reports that JS was convicted of snaring in the region of North Mimms, along with George Long and William Kingham. No sentence mentioned, although can't have been long given that he married JM the following year.
This and perhaps later transgressions might explain why he changed his name.
There is little doubt that he and JH are one and the same. Yes, his maternal GM was Jemima Harvey - would love to know more about her.
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Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses - SHELDRAKE
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 20 November 12 15:17 GMT (UK) »
Hello Ash
Thanks for this additional information, which is most helpful.
Unfortunately, I am unable to help with Jemima Harvey - my main research for asking questions was really regarding Joshua's wife Juliana Mardling and her ancestors.
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