Hello Newfster,
Thank you for replying to my e-mail, I have the 1881 census and they state their surname is Maden.
On their first son's birth certificate up in Settle, York, 1874 their surname was Maden, again it is Maden on Robert's certificate in Rutland then on Caroline's it is Midden and on their last daughter's Jane who is not in the 1881 census is Meyden, by the time of the 1891 census they are living in Lower Coity Bridgend South Wales and are now going by Maiden, Arthur the father is no where to be found and he is still alive as he dies in 1893.
I haven't got the daughter Elizabeth's birth certificate just yet, but there is one born about this time in Melton M 1876 under Elizabeth E Maiden.
I know this family moved around a lot and I can't seam to find a fixed family for them, even though I have their places of living at the time of the certificates but I don't know where when it comes to the census, so I am hoping that the information on Caroline's certificate may help me find out who these really are.
I know going by the certificates and the census in 1881 Arthur occupation was also a Miner, I have a marriage certificate for him but again I'm not 100% sure if it is the right one as the surname is different, Arthur Needham of full age & Elizabeth Ellison age 18 were married 30th Nov 1873 Chapel le Dale, York, the parents names were George Needham Labourer and Richard Ellison Labourer both living and I can't make out the place. Bleamoor Tunnel, but I don't know.
Thank you in responding.