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Re: Birth - Leslie John Satchwell
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 26 April 20 04:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Mel,

I know that I am late into this one but as a direct descendant of William Charles Satchwell, I can confirm that I believe that he was not the father of Leslie J Satchwell.  You may like to change your searches to looking for a Leslie J Morrison in the BDM NSW, so he was a son-in-law. From memory he was born in Musslebrook, NSW,, but my memory is somewhat shot these days.

I have a copy of W.C. Satchwells death certificate and it does not list Leslie as a son.

Warren Sharpe

Do you also have Emmeline’s death certificate?

Emmeline Martha Satchwell
Event date: 14-3-1927
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1927/B/609
Mother: Emily Rose Gower
Father/parent: William Barlow

He isn’t a son from her first marriage, as he was born well after the marriage to William. This is confirmed in the 1916 newspaper article, which shows him to be a 12 year old. The same and JM’s finding of the NSW Morrison birth date, also confirms that not to be the QLD lad.

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Re: Birth - Leslie John Satchwell
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 26 April 20 04:03 BST (UK) »
William and Emmeline SATCHWELL lived in Toowoomba in 1903 and after that in various Brisbane suburbs.  Emmeline's daughters from her first marriage, Emily and Ivy, appear on electoral rolls at the same addresses as their mother.  An online family tree suggests that Emily was Leslie's mother.

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Re: Birth - Leslie John Satchwell
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 26 April 20 04:09 BST (UK) »
In 1907 William is charged with leaving his two children without support, 3rd last column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article170592171

So, that would be Dorothy F L and Phillis V.

Dorothy Frances Lilian Satchwell
Event date: 1-9-1921
Event type: Marriage registration
Registration details: 1921/B/28474
Spouse: Henry James Chartens

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Re: Birth - Leslie John Satchwell
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 26 April 20 04:24 BST (UK) »
Leslie Jack SATCHWELL's Probate file is available at familysearch and indexed at Archway New Zealand, Napier Court,  Probate : https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDT9-4PP

NZ BDM online deaths index has Leslie Jack SATCHWELL, 56Y (as in years)  1959/29549
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/



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Re: Birth - Leslie John Satchwell
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 26 April 20 04:49 BST (UK) »
Jamjar,
What surname were Emily and Ivy using on electoral rolls?Emmeline and Robert were married only 8 months before he died and there is no BDM record for children.
James Henry Charters and Dorothy Satchwell are my wife's grandparents and lived a life apart since the 1930's,just par for the course for their ancestors.
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Re: Birth - Leslie John Satchwell
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 26 April 20 05:03 BST (UK) »
QLD BDM
JARROLD Emmeline Martha     marr.   MORRISON Robert James Aiken
1881/C/541       8 Apr 1881

Brisbane Courier 13 Apr 1881 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/917737?

MORRIS—JARROLD.—On the 8th April, at the Wesleyan Parsonage, Ipswich, by the Rev. Paul Clip-
sham, Robert James Aiken Morrison, son of the late Robert Morrison Esq., Belfast, Ireland, and nephew of R. T. Gawdy, Esq., classical teacher, of this city, to Emmeline Martha Jarrold, eldest daughter of James Wm. Jarrold, Esq., Dalby.

birth
SATCHWELL Phillis Victoria    parents  Emmeline Martha Jarrold Morrison / Charles William
1897/C/2389      11 May 1897

marriage
SATCHWELL    Phillis Victoria known as Phylliss May Vicktor    marr.
PATTERSON Thomas George Lawrence 
1918/B/21172      5 Feb 1918

Interesting to note that on another site, the OP states that Emmeline died QLD 1927, but note the father’s name difference: William Barlow

Her birth:

Emmeline Martha Barlow
Event date: 10-9-1860
Event type: Birth registration
Registration details: 1860/C/514
Mother: Emily Rosa Gower
Father/parent: William Barlow

Ah, so Emmeline was James Jarrold’s step-daughter:

Emily Rosa Varcoe Gower
Event date: 21/05/1870
Event type: Marriage registration
Registration details: 1870/C/38
Spouse: James William Jarrold

The mother’s obit, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article253989580

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Re: Birth - Leslie John Satchwell
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 26 April 20 06:34 BST (UK) »
William and Emmeline SATCHWELL lived in Toowoomba in 1903 and after that in various Brisbane suburbs.  Emmeline's daughters from her first marriage, Emily and Ivy, appear on electoral rolls at the same addresses as their mother.  An online family tree suggests that Emily was Leslie's mother.

Debra  :)

Do they say why he couldn’t have been Ivy’s, who didn’t marry and who had a son in 1907?

Her death:

Ivy Jarrold Morrison
Event date: 26-10-1916
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1916/B/24357
Mother: -
Father/parent: -

Robert James Morrison
Event date: 6-7-1907
Event type: Birth registration
Registration details: 1907/C/4417
Mother: Ivy Morrison

Robert James Morrison
Event date: 29-8-1907
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1907/C/1460
Mother: Ivy Morrison
Father/parent:

Toowong Cemetery Location 5-90-7
MORRISON Robert James 30-08-1907
MORRISON Ivy 27-10-1916

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Re: Birth - Leslie John Satchwell
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 26 April 20 07:16 BST (UK) »
Afternoon all. 
Just fyi, I am struggling with this (Rootschat) so my apologies for my tardiness.. and I can't seem to cut/paste..

Somehow I think we may be talking about two different individuals here. So lets go back a few steps.

I have William Charles Satchwell  - WCS(2) - being born in Morpeth, NSW in 1870. Parents WCS (1) and Sarah (Nunn)

The death cert that I have is for WCS(2) died 4/2/1942, in Heidelburg, Vict.  It states that:
 his father was William Charles Satchwell,
 he had lived in  Vict -13 yrs,, Qld - 32 yrs,, NSW - 27 yrs.
 Married in Gunnedah, NSW  at 24 years of age
 To Emily Jarrold
 He was a widower at his death
 Children:  Dorothy F L (age 46) and Phyllis M (age 44)..

So, no mention of a son.

Note,, my granny (one of his sisters) always said that his death was the end of our Satchwell line in Australia.

I have him marrying an Emily Jarrold in Gunnedah in 1894,,   But, there is no record of it that I can find.   But,  there is one for him marrying an Emeline M Morrison, in Gunnedah in 1894.
Are these the one and the same person? Has the NSW BDM registry got it wrong?  Probably but just in case...
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Lets look at the Morrison's in NSW.

Emily M     born 1870  Mussellbrook   
Finlay J      born 1772  Mussellbrook   and then her cousin..

Leslie J      born 1916 to Finlay and Annie.  She now has a nephew..

Is this coincidental??

Emily's father dies in 1878, when she was 8 yo.

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If WCS(2) marries E M Jarrold (as per death cert) where did Leslie J come from??

Also I believe that there was an Ivy Satchwell (daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W Satchwell) who passed away in Toowong, Qld, in 1916,, where does where fit in?

I have a feeling that there was another Satchwell family (Charles) who emigrated to Australia in the mid 1800's and resided in Queensland (mainly around Beewah, on the sunshine coast). If true that this family may have included a WCS, but I have had difficulty finding out much about them (except they played a lot of euchre.

Does any of this help or just confuse?

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Re: Birth - Leslie John Satchwell
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 26 April 20 07:23 BST (UK) »
But,  there is one for him marrying an Emeline M Morrison, in Gunnedah in 1894.
Are these the one and the same person?


Yes, the same person. If you read through all the posts, it will become clear.

Ivy who did not marry and Emily (who died as TURNER, in 1965) were the children from Emmeline’s first marriage.

Emily Rosa Letitia Morrison
Birth date: 15-4-1882
Mother's name: Emmeline Martha Garrold
Father/parent's name: Robert James Aiken Morrison
Registration details: 1882/C/1360

Emily Rosa Letitia Turner
Event date: 8-2-1965
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1965/B/71315
Mother: Emmeline Martha Jarrold
Father/parent: Robert James Aiken Morrison

Mt Gravatt Cemetery
Location MON-3A-4-471
TURNER Emely Rosa
Age 82 Years
Date of Service 10-02-1965
Service Type Burial

Death of Emeline’s first husband:
Robert James Aiken Morrison
Event date: 20-01-1882
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1882/C/654
Mother: Sarah Ellen Letitia Gowdy
Father/parent: Robert Morrison

The VIC death referred to by Warren:

1242/1942 SATCHWELL William Charles father SATCHWELL William Charles HEIDELBERG age 72

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