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same regiment?
« on: Wednesday 04 June 08 14:18 BST (UK) »
These two photographs have my grandfather in them. Was he in two different regiments or is it the same one?

Ken
Cuthbert, Roberts (Sefton. Bootle, Liverpool, St. Pancras), Burbage, Dodd.
Allison (Scotland, pre 1861) (Liverpool post 1860),
Gerrat, Davidson, Caffey, McCourt, McDill, Ireland +Scotland. Ballard, Mayman,
 Pletts, Shield, Pattison, Patteson, Johnston(Cumberland).
Thorp(e), Jacobson, Bond, Parry, Gaskill (Liverpool, Denmark), Moar, Hanaeus,Ilett
Simmons, Pritchard, Cherrington (Shropshire)

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 19:39 BST (UK) »
Well...They COULD be the same Regt...

What was his name?? Have you checked the Medal Index cards etc yet??

The lower one was not taken in this country, as they have Wolesley Helmets on...(pith helmets).

It could be pre, during or post WW1, but a higher definition scan would be of enormous help!

I  can't decide whether they have Khaki Drill (KD) on or not, and I can discern nothing else other than they are mounted...The puttees are wound top down and tied at the bottom...

Top pic...Well...A few cap badges that could be one of half a dozen or more!...They also have mounted style puttees and one has mounted gaiters on...also some of them have spurs...

Some of them have nil cap badge, and the hats have stiffeners in...And they all appear to have the 1915 "economy" jacket on.

The shape of the cap badge that I can make out could be either 13th Hussars, 18th Hussars, 8th Hampshires, Dorset Yeomanry, City of London Yeomanry, or even Royal Engineers...So you see there is a lot to choose from!!!

Also it was probably taken in this country...They appear to have black boots on (another tip here!!) For service overseas, brown boots were usually worn, with black ones at home (smarter!)
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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 June 08 11:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your quick reply.


First I should say I posted these and several others, one of which was my other grandfather on the Merseyside Genealogy and History Forum in December last  under the heading What regiments?  in the Merseyside Military section and had some replies.

To answer your queries I have looked at the Medal Index but as his name is William Roberts there are just too many possibles!

I can't at the moment, do a high definition scan partly because I wouldn't know how to, being technically hamfisted but also because I don't have access to the pictures at the moment until about late July when I'm back in England.

These are certainly WW1 photographs because I know he wasn't in the army before it. There are some of him convalescing too in what looks like a very hot sort of place! I looked at the Merseyside site where the other pictures are posted hoping I could transfer them to this one but when I clicked on the space where they used to be it came up "temporarily disabled". I don't know whether I COULD  look at them if I was more knowledgeable?

My grandfather, an electrician in civvy life, was living in Bootle Lancs so it is likely he joined a localish regiment. One of the suggestions was, like yours, that it MIGHT be the Royal Engineers.

Sorry to appear so useless but thanks for the tip about how the puttees are wound and about black and brown boots! Don't know if the two photographs I have added here of him  ( I have them in My Pictures) are any use in providing clues but you'll be able to see what I mean about it being a bit hot - the Western Front it ain't!

Ken
Cuthbert, Roberts (Sefton. Bootle, Liverpool, St. Pancras), Burbage, Dodd.
Allison (Scotland, pre 1861) (Liverpool post 1860),
Gerrat, Davidson, Caffey, McCourt, McDill, Ireland +Scotland. Ballard, Mayman,
 Pletts, Shield, Pattison, Patteson, Johnston(Cumberland).
Thorp(e), Jacobson, Bond, Parry, Gaskill (Liverpool, Denmark), Moar, Hanaeus,Ilett
Simmons, Pritchard, Cherrington (Shropshire)

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 June 08 11:32 BST (UK) »
Just a quickie...But he was a signaller...

The first pic he has brassard on...Blue and White...During the First War there was no Royal Corps of Signals, and as had been done since time immemorial, the Sappers did it...

So the Royal Engineers thing is confirmed.

First pic...ummm....1916-7 Possibly somewhere hot and winter or early, and the second on...Could be Salonika or Mespot...

More later!

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 June 08 11:34 BST (UK) »
BTW on the lower pic, there is a divisional sign on his hat...ID Laters when I get home!
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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 June 08 12:09 BST (UK) »
Wow! Talk about fast......I'm afraid you are just encouraging me to put another couple of photograps on, in case you discover more things  I just didn't notice. So here are two more.......

and THANKS

Ken
Cuthbert, Roberts (Sefton. Bootle, Liverpool, St. Pancras), Burbage, Dodd.
Allison (Scotland, pre 1861) (Liverpool post 1860),
Gerrat, Davidson, Caffey, McCourt, McDill, Ireland +Scotland. Ballard, Mayman,
 Pletts, Shield, Pattison, Patteson, Johnston(Cumberland).
Thorp(e), Jacobson, Bond, Parry, Gaskill (Liverpool, Denmark), Moar, Hanaeus,Ilett
Simmons, Pritchard, Cherrington (Shropshire)

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 June 08 12:14 BST (UK) »
Sorry not much else...But stonking pics!!

Why not put them, on the restoration board??

I am still opined Salonika or Mesopotamia but the divisional falsh might just clinch it tonight!

And any more opics pse??/

We loves em we does!

If you can scan the motorbike a bit better, I could probably get an ID on it for you...
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 June 08 12:25 BST (UK) »
I reckon this is him...although first went to France...it was not uncommon for them to go there first then off elsewhere...
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 June 08 12:26 BST (UK) »
There is only x2 choices...this one and another, but he appears to have had nil overseas service...
One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.